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2020-04-08 9:05:34 AM  
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Mugato [TotalFark]  
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2020-04-08 10:26:26 AM  
It's almost as if the repeated failures of the government are making people desperate.
 
Cewley [TotalFark]  
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2020-04-08 10:30:47 AM  
These are the same people who vote in droves for Marco "Little Putz" Rubio.
 
waxbeans  
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2020-04-08 10:52:37 AM  
I guess they should have their unemployment sent to a hospital?
Gezzz.
 
LegacyDL  
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2020-04-08 10:55:33 AM  
God's waiting room and his petri dish. Dude sure knows how to consolidate.
 
wademh  
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2020-04-08 10:57:03 AM  
What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?
 
2020-04-08 11:02:23 AM  
I'm curious where the 25 million they just spent on upgrades really went. Link
 
2020-04-08 11:02:38 AM  

Mugato: It's almost as if the repeated failures of the government are making people desperate.


failure?  florida specifically designed unemployment benefits to be a clusterfark
 
2020-04-08 11:03:11 AM  
ahem

FORK FORMER GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT

FORK THE REPUBLICANS WHO DESIGNED THE ONLINE SYSTEM TO DO EXACTLY THIS


ahem
 
Limeyluv  
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2020-04-08 11:04:03 AM  
The masks give a false sense of safety, and people are desperate for money. It's a perfect storm for panic and risk taking. I feel sorry for these people. Whoever is running that show should be out telling people to back up, or they should have put chalk marks for standing. There's blame all way round on this.
 
anfrind  
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2020-04-08 11:04:31 AM  

wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?


They could still maintain six feet of separation between each other.  The line would appear much longer, but people would be less likely to get sick.
 
stuffy  
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2020-04-08 11:05:27 AM  
The Government you wanted. The Government you deserve.
 
2020-04-08 11:07:00 AM  
So are these folks not yet counted in the 10 million job losses yet because they haven't been able to apply?
 
2020-04-08 11:09:03 AM  

Target Builder: So are these folks not yet counted in the 10 million job losses yet because they haven't been able to apply?


That's exactly right.
 
Mock26  
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2020-04-08 11:13:22 AM  
Good luck meeting the requirement where you have to get five interviews a week to stay on unemployment!
 
2020-04-08 11:14:16 AM  

wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?


My brother finally talked to someone in Tallahassee the other day who said the backup servers they had, that were in place for years, weren't even connected to the network.   That's some fine plannin there.

He got the max for two weeks worth of unemployment which was $550. I know it was designed that way but that's just absurdly low considering what rent/ mortgage, utilities, let alone food, gas, etc. cost.
 
2020-04-08 11:17:43 AM  

Limeyluv: The masks give a false sense of safety, and people are desperate for money. It's a perfect storm for panic and risk taking. I feel sorry for these people. Whoever is running that show should be out telling people to back up, or they should have put chalk marks for standing. There's blame all way round on this.


It's Florida. If you leave a foot and a half between you, someone's going to cut into that space. Have you ever driven there?
 
2020-04-08 11:19:05 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Mugato: It's almost as if the repeated failures of the government are making people desperate.
failure?  florida specifically designed unemployment benefits to be a clusterfark


I'm trying to draw out of wyoming.  They put in a new system where they would call you.  So yesterday they called me, gave me info to reset my account.  I used it--4 times.  3 error messages and then the account was locked.  Again.
I can try calling again, even though it's been a busy signal for three weeks.

That was their fix.  These people do not operate in good faith.  Wyoming, like Florida, is highly dependent on tourist jobs and they are going to go bankrupt if they have to honor all those claims.

They aren't going to.  I think this is another little joke of our society--that unemployment is here for us.  I've been dealing with them for years, and I can assure everybody that in the last 10 years or so, it isn't.  There are so many ways they can turn you down, or since most UI claimants are legit, they just do it like this--fark everything up so badly, and are so inaccessible, that you just give up.  They're swamped now, but it's been like this for years.

Gotta keep those numbers down somehow.  Especially if you're in a red state.
 
2020-04-08 11:19:53 AM  

anfrind: wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?

They could still maintain six feet of separation between each other.  The line would appear much longer, but people would be less likely to get sick.


I doubt they could. The number of crowd control officials you'd need to maintain that spacing without people cutting in line would be far more than the number on hand.
 
2020-04-08 11:23:23 AM  

stuffy: The Government you wanted. The Government you deserve.


You realize that not everyone who lives in a place voted for the winners, right? Not every American voted for Trump.
 
2020-04-08 11:23:50 AM  

Serious Black: Target Builder: So are these folks not yet counted in the 10 million job losses yet because they haven't been able to apply?
That's exactly right.


Oh yes.  I was told yesterday, by the gal who called me, that it was still impossible to get through on the phone.  And she works there.

When I asked her how the online was doing, she said, well, it's working--as well as it's ever worked.

They don't care.  They get people to answer the phones, who often would sincerely like to help you, but it's out of their power.  They'll sign you up, if you can manage to reach them.  But for REASONS, you aren't getting paid.
 
NINEv2  
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2020-04-08 11:25:56 AM  

stuffy: The Government you wanted. The Government you deserve.


People are so goddam stupid. "Hey, let's try this thing again what turned out so horribly last time!" *same shiat happens* "Huurr how could we have known it was the wrong decision durr". Our inability to learn lessons from the past is what's going to drive us to extinction.
 
2020-04-08 11:33:40 AM  

Queef Wellington: I'm curious where the 25 million they just spent on upgrades really went. Link


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anfrind  
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2020-04-08 11:34:56 AM  

meerclarschild: anfrind: wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?

They could still maintain six feet of separation between each other.  The line would appear much longer, but people would be less likely to get sick.

I doubt they could. The number of crowd control officials you'd need to maintain that spacing without people cutting in line would be far more than the number on hand.


Not necessarily.  At grocery stores here in the SF bay area, the staff have been limiting the number of customers who can enter at a time, and those waiting outside have been pretty good about forming a line with proper spacing, without the need for crowd control.

Admittedly, it's not exactly the same situation, as the shoppers here are probably less desperate than Floridians looking for unemployment benefits, and our state and local governments have done a much better job of responding to the crisis and communicating with citizens.
 
Opacity [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2020-04-08 11:38:52 AM  
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2020-04-08 11:39:25 AM  

wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?


Happening in NY also, you have to sign up online then actually speak to someone on the phone for the benefits to kick in. I've known a few people who have spent the past few weeks doing nothing but trying to get someone on the phone with no luck.

It would be great if they could recognize this and bypass the phone step, but getting money to the people who just lost their job isn't a priority for our government.
 
PunGent  
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2020-04-08 11:42:52 AM  
Sigh.

It'd be nice to live in a first-world country for a change.
 
2020-04-08 11:55:00 AM  
This is Margery, she is the UI claims processor for all 50 states. She is very professional and is looking forward to helping you by processing your claim and answering any questions you may have. We have given Marg the finest in modern state of the art office machines that improve her ability to handle your claims quickly and accurately. Please be patient if you cannot get through to Marg right away, she is working hard to get you as quickly as she can.

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G. Tarrant [OhFark]  
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2020-04-08 12:00:30 PM  

wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?


Not only was it specifically designed to suck so badly, the contract to design a system that works so poorly was worth something like $70 million. That's just the system itself, not the people or operation of said system. Talk about a gift of a contract that likely saw $50 million of that flowing directly into some rich donor's pocket.
 
Loreweaver  
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2020-04-08 12:09:17 PM  
To be fair, this is the state's fault, not the fault of the people standing in line.

They are being forced to choose between dying from the virus, or dying from homelessness / starvation if they can't file for unemployment.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]  
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2020-04-08 12:12:02 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Mugato: It's almost as if the repeated failures of the government are making people desperate.

failure?  florida specifically designed unemployment benefits to be a clusterfark


The FL government for that, the federal government for ignoring this thing until everyone is suddenly laid off with no preparation. The point is, those people aren't in line simply because they're stupid.
 
2020-04-08 12:17:53 PM  
DEO executive director Ken Lawson signed a $17,513,212 contract Sunday with a Virginia-based firm (Faneuil) that provides call center services.

The contract indicates DEO received 1.1 million calls between March 1-25 but only answered 180,843 of them.

Nearly one million people who tried calling DEO last month did not reach a DEO customer service agent or the self-service phone system, records show.


There's a farker for every occupation.  Anyone good at picking apart ops budgets for a phone center to see how many mouths and phone lines that $17.5m would net?
 
Nah'mean [TotalFark]  
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2020-04-08 12:19:53 PM  
Are we sure the state is trying to fix the online filing problem? I believe it's "working" exactly as intended.
 
varmitydog  
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2020-04-08 12:31:33 PM  

Serious Black: ahem

FORK FORMER GOVERNOR RICK SCOTT

FORK THE REPUBLICANS WHO DESIGNED THE ONLINE SYSTEM TO DO EXACTLY THIS

ahem


Ditto.  The other key Republican who promoted this fiasco of a system is Don Gaetz, the daddy of unhinged Fox news personality Matt Gaetz.  He was the president of the Florida Senate that passed this and the new ethic rules for Florida politicians.

The worst thing Scott did to Florida was to appoint the judges for 8 years.
In Florida it has become routine for judges, whom are supposed to be elected, to resign halfway through their terms and their replacements are then appointed by the governor.  These appointments led directly to the re-gerrymandering of the congressional districts, which gave us Matt Gaetz and our guy, Trump's toady Glen Dunn.

It has been especially bad here in the Panama City area, some of the local judges chosen were the among the skeevyist sleazeball attorneys in town.  The evil that Scott did will literally last for decades around here.
 
2020-04-08 12:38:47 PM  

thehellisthis: DEO executive director Ken Lawson signed a $17,513,212 contract Sunday with a Virginia-based firm (Faneuil) that provides call center services.

The contract indicates DEO received 1.1 million calls between March 1-25 but only answered 180,843 of them.

Nearly one million people who tried calling DEO last month did not reach a DEO customer service agent or the self-service phone system, records show.

There's a farker for every occupation.  Anyone good at picking apart ops budgets for a phone center to see how many mouths and phone lines that $17.5m would net?


I already told you. Meet Marg. DEO would have hired Marg's sister in law to help answer phones and take UI applications, but that would have put the operations payroll budget at nearly $60,000.00 for 2020. With the Administrative payroll budget already being cut razor thin at only $15.0 million, and the marketing/advertising budget at $12.4 million, they just couldn't afford to add personal to increase UI application processing.
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2020-04-08 12:51:31 PM  

meerclarschild: Limeyluv: The masks give a false sense of safety, and people are desperate for money. It's a perfect storm for panic and risk taking. I feel sorry for these people. Whoever is running that show should be out telling people to back up, or they should have put chalk marks for standing. There's blame all way round on this.

It's Florida. If you leave a foot and a half between you, someone's going to cut into that space. Have you ever driven there?


They're doing this in Los Angeles too.
 
rolladuck [OhFark]  
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2020-04-08 2:01:23 PM  

cryinoutloud: Dead for Tax Reasons: Mugato: It's almost as if the repeated failures of the government are making people desperate.
failure?  florida specifically designed unemployment benefits to be a clusterfark

I'm trying to draw out of wyoming.  They put in a new system where they would call you.  So yesterday they called me, gave me info to reset my account.  I used it--4 times.  3 error messages and then the account was locked.  Again.
I can try calling again, even though it's been a busy signal for three weeks.

That was their fix.  These people do not operate in good faith.  Wyoming, like Florida, is highly dependent on tourist jobs and they are going to go bankrupt if they have to honor all those claims.

They aren't going to.  I think this is another little joke of our society--that unemployment is here for us.  I've been dealing with them for years, and I can assure everybody that in the last 10 years or so, it isn't.  There are so many ways they can turn you down, or since most UI claimants are legit, they just do it like this--fark everything up so badly, and are so inaccessible, that you just give up.  They're swamped now, but it's been like this for years.

Gotta keep those numbers down somehow.  Especially if you're in a red state.


I got laid off from a job at a fertilizer plant in Nebraska in 2016.  The benefits were so pitiful, and the work to maintain it so difficult, that it was literally easier to get part-time work that paid more than the unemployment benefits.  And since any amount you made subtracted the same amount from your benefits, there was no point in going any further than the initial application.  So I never counted as unemployed, even though my monthly take-home pay dropped by $6000 overnight.
 
arkansized [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2020-04-08 2:29:52 PM  
If you are getting food stamps in FL (SNAP and others) you will receive the maximum benefit for March and April. Hopefully you'll receive it soon.
 
bluewave69  
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2020-04-08 5:21:39 PM  
quick somebody tell trump that smoking crystal meth and bath salts makes you immune to covid. or at least will win him florida if he makes it look that way.
 
2020-04-08 9:52:39 PM  

G. Tarrant: wademh: What choice do they have? The on-line system keeps going off-line. They've been trying to apply for weeks. The phone lines keep going down. They need money.

The thing they all know, as well, is  that the system was designed to suck so bad that people would avoid unemployment and hurry back to getting a next job. Guess which "brilliant" ex-governor specifically designed it so suck so bad?

Not only was it specifically designed to suck so badly, the contract to design a system that works so poorly was worth something like $70 million. That's just the system itself, not the people or operation of said system. Talk about a gift of a contract that likely saw $50 million of that flowing directly into some rich donor's pocket.


We have a winner here.  Link below goes to a Miami Herald story about the clusterfark of a website from a couple weeks ago (Fark doesn't like it for some reason).  The backscratching and grift to Deloitte Consulting shows up about halfway through the article.
www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/state-politics/article241651276.html

I was laid off about two weeks ago.  I was *finally* able to go online and get my application in on the 1st (from Thursday to Tuesday evening the website was completely offline.  When i manage to get through online to check on my status, it still says "received and pending" - don't bother trying to call.  The first day I can log in and claim benefits is the 13th if everything gets cleared.  The current "issue" is they can't confirm my SSN, despite the fact they have that information from both my employer (of close to five years) and me.

In other great news, Florida doesn't backdate benefits, so I can't claim partial pay for the week I was cut because I wasn't able to get my application in by that Saturday (again, the website was offline).  At least I don't have to go hat in hand asking 5 places for nonexistant work every week while the state is in lockdown.
 
anfrind  
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2020-04-09 1:26:53 AM  

bluewave69: quick somebody tell trump that smoking crystal meth and bath salts makes you immune to covid. or at least will win him florida if he makes it look that way.


No, if Trump thought crystal meth and bath salts would cure COVID-19, he'd send the military to seize it from the dealers, so that Jared could funnel it through shell companies for (presumably) massive profits.
 
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