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2019-08-17 9:30:26 PM  
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jjorsett  
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2019-08-18 12:59:52 AM  
Always keep in mind, no matter what you do, it's either wrong or not enough.
 
Wendigogo [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-18 1:01:54 AM  
"Most people mean well, so 'voluntourists' are ... choosing holidays or holiday packages and they want an element of doing good in it..."

Mean well? Maybe. More like they're checking off a bucket list and gaining followers on IG.
 
Creidiki  
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2019-08-18 1:09:06 AM  
Would these voluntourists ever consider dialling back the wholesale pillage and rape of developing countries? Just a little, it might make a bigger difference.
 
2019-08-18 1:11:42 AM  
When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it, and would be much more suitable for the job anyways.

The exemptions are when you are donating your services and they are specialist enough that they would cost money, and that the person who could be doing the work would not be missing it, like when a lawyer does pro bono work or a medical practitioner works for Doctors Without Borders, or nobody is going to be doing it anyways.
 
2019-08-18 1:21:59 AM  
Is the Peace Corps still a thing?
 
aerojockey [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-18 1:25:38 AM  

winedrinkingman: When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it,


Always.  Because there's always money to pay for the work volunteers do.
 
Wendigogo [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-18 1:26:30 AM  

Igor Jakovsky: Is the Peace Corps still a thing?


Yes it is.
 
2019-08-18 1:34:04 AM  

winedrinkingman: When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it, and would be much more suitable for the job anyways.

The exemptions are when you are donating your services and they are specialist enough that they would cost money, and that the person who could be doing the work would not be missing it, like when a lawyer does pro bono work or a medical practitioner works for Doctors Without Borders, or nobody is going to be doing it anyways.


I'm going to disagree. What it sounds like you're saying is "unless you have unique skills don't bother trying to help. You're just taking away so opportunity from someone you're trying to help from helping themselves."

I get it from a phony social media feel good angle. I'll agree that's that's sad but overall if more money gets directed toward helping then it's a positive.
 
2019-08-18 1:44:33 AM  
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Nora Gretz  
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2019-08-18 1:47:50 AM  
When Australia sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're backpackers. They're voluntourists. And some, I assume, are good people.
 
2019-08-18 2:03:47 AM  
Paying money to volunteer seems sketchy as hell already, IMO.
 
2019-08-18 2:05:46 AM  
Silly tourists.  Voluntourism is not going to line the local warlord's pockets.  What did you think you were actually accomplishing?
 
2019-08-18 2:08:32 AM  

Creidiki: Would these voluntourists ever consider dialling back the wholesale pillage and rape of developing countries? Just a little, it might make a bigger difference.


If a tourist was a CEO? Maybe if they were private or an investor with major holdings. Otherwise, you get fark snark points for being funny but as useful as my comment.
 
Is_This_Us  
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2019-08-18 2:09:48 AM  

Nora Gretz: When Australia sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're backpackers. They're voluntourists. And some, I assume, are good people.


I will always choose the Australian in a horror movie. They've seen some shiat .And the guys are all "That's not a knife,This is a knife." And the Shelias are "OK you killed that one.Go get your Ute and we'll talk."
 
xerge  
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2019-08-18 2:09:52 AM  

Wendigogo: "Most people mean well, so 'voluntourists' are ... choosing holidays or holiday packages and they want an element of doing good in it..."

Mean well? Maybe. More like they're checking off a bucket list and gaining followers on IG.


I suspect they don't want to "do good", they want to "feel good". I guess pretending to help orphans that aren't really orphans in some poor country probably does make some people feel better about their pointless lives.
 
Is_This_Us  
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2019-08-18 2:14:45 AM  

xerge: Wendigogo: "Most people mean well, so 'voluntourists' are ... choosing holidays or holiday packages and they want an element of doing good in it..."

Mean well? Maybe. More like they're checking off a bucket list and gaining followers on IG.

I suspect they don't want to "do good", they want to "feel good". I guess pretending to help orphans that aren't really orphans in some poor country probably does make some people feel better about their pointless lives.


Why are you talking about Priscilla Chan ?
Chan married Zuckerberg on May 19, 2012, the day after Facebook's stock market launch.[5]
 
2019-08-18 2:19:43 AM  

SafetyThird: winedrinkingman: When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it, and would be much more suitable for the job anyways.

The exemptions are when you are donating your services and they are specialist enough that they would cost money, and that the person who could be doing the work would not be missing it, like when a lawyer does pro bono work or a medical practitioner works for Doctors Without Borders, or nobody is going to be doing it anyways.

I'm going to disagree. What it sounds like you're saying is "unless you have unique skills don't bother trying to help. You're just taking away so opportunity from someone you're trying to help from helping themselves."

I get it from a phony social media feel good angle. I'll agree that's that's sad but overall if more money gets directed toward helping then it's a positive.


Let me phrase that differently.  Yes you could do the work for free, or you could donate money to a group that will pay someone to do the work.  Now let's consider how this plays out.  If you are going to a third world country to work, likely you come from a well off family, and you have means.  Is it better for you to volunteer scrubbing the floors of a hospital in a developing country, or is it better that you stay home, and take all your adventure money, and pay someone, in that developing country, who would otherwise be unemployed, to scrub the floors in that hospital instead?  

You scrub the floors, well you created a huge carbon foot print to get there, you are not going to scrub the floor any better than the local, but if the local does it, he now has a little more money to feed his family.  You do it, sure the floors get clean, but there is one more unemployed person in that developing community.

But of course you don't get cool stories to tell your friends about how you found yourself, and grew so spiritually when you donated that money instead of going on a fun trip, but you have helped someone out.

Now there are people who benefit developing countries, because of the expertise they bring with them, but chances are you are not that person.  

Even here in the states, this can be a problem.  My old church used to employ janitors, many of them with cognitive disabilities that impaired their ability to find a normal job.  Church paid them to clean the chapels, and tend to the garden.  Then someone realized they could fire the janitors and have the members volunteer to clean the chapels instead, so they stared doing that, telling the members the money saved would be used for other great works.  Some of it may even be used for other good works.  That doesn't do the severely autistic guy, or the woman with down-syndrome who used to clean my chapel much good.  They had a job that paid them money, didn't work them so many hours that they lost their disability, and that they could do.  But hey, the healthy church members who give up their Saturdays to scrub toilets for the Lord can feel like they are making the world a better place while their leaders are able to increase the building budget, and can now build fancier, prettier looking chapels, that look more fine and splendid.  I mean it's not what Jesus would have done, but it is what they are doing.
 
Is_This_Us  
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2019-08-18 2:27:42 AM  

winedrinkingman: SafetyThird: winedrinkingman: When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it, and would be much more suitable for the job anyways.

The exemptions are when you are donating your services and they are specialist enough that they would cost money, and that the person who could be doing the work would not be missing it, like when a lawyer does pro bono work or a medical practitioner works for Doctors Without Borders, or nobody is going to be doing it anyways.

I'm going to disagree. What it sounds like you're saying is "unless you have unique skills don't bother trying to help. You're just taking away so opportunity from someone you're trying to help from helping themselves."

I get it from a phony social media feel good angle. I'll agree that's that's sad but overall if more money gets directed toward helping then it's a positive.

Let me phrase that differently.  Yes you could do the work for free, or you could donate money to a group that will pay someone to do the work.  Now let's consider how this plays out.  If you are going to a third world country to work, likely you come from a well off family, and you have means.  Is it better for you to volunteer scrubbing the floors of a hospital in a developing country, or is it better that you stay home, and take all your adventure money, and pay someone, in that developing country, who would otherwise be unemployed, to scrub the floors in that hospital instead?  

You scrub the floors, well you created a huge carbon foot print to get there, you are not going to scrub the floor any better than the local, but if the local does it, he now has a little more money to feed his family.  You do it, sure the floors get clean, but there is one more unemployed person in that developing community.

But of course you don't get cool stories to tell your friends about how you found yourself, and grew so spiritually when you donated that money instead of going on a fun trip, but you have hel ...


Whoaaaaah, I'm pretty sure Jesus would just flip a table and challenge Charlotte Flair to a no DQ, fall count anywhere match. And yes there would be  run-in by Tessa Blanchard.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tessa_Blanchard.
 
2019-08-18 2:30:01 AM  

Is_This_Us: xerge: Wendigogo: "Most people mean well, so 'voluntourists' are ... choosing holidays or holiday packages and they want an element of doing good in it..."

Mean well? Maybe. More like they're checking off a bucket list and gaining followers on IG.

I suspect they don't want to "do good", they want to "feel good". I guess pretending to help orphans that aren't really orphans in some poor country probably does make some people feel better about their pointless lives.

Why are you talking about Priscilla Chan ?
Chan married Zuckerberg on May 19, 2012, the day after Facebook's stock market launch.[5]


And what about her brothers 4 and 8?
 
2019-08-18 2:32:02 AM  
President George H.W. Bush - Points of Light
Youtube SQhbEh8AeSA
 
Birnone  
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2019-08-18 2:34:24 AM  

themindiswatching: Paying money to volunteer seems sketchy as hell already, IMO.


Any time that someone is willing to pay for something it means someone else can make money supplying the thing that the paying customer wants. If you will pay for a bunch of orphaned kids to, well, to do anything with then someone will round up as many orphans as it takes to make you happy. They might even farm some orphans if it's more cost effective than tracking down free range orphans in the wild.
 
anuran [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-18 2:34:58 AM  
My inlaws did wildlife surveys on Midway Island. They enjoyed what they did and made an actual contribution to necessary science. I'm not going to say anything bad about what they did or their motivations for doing it.
 
Creidiki  
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2019-08-18 2:41:05 AM  

AppleOptionEsc: Creidiki: Would these voluntourists ever consider dialling back the wholesale pillage and rape of developing countries? Just a little, it might make a bigger difference.

If a tourist was a CEO? Maybe if they were private or an investor with major holdings. Otherwise, you get fark snark points for being funny but as useful as my comment.


First world standard of life is dependent on massive amounts of natural resources and human labour extracted from third world countries. CEO's don't personally consume every drop of crude extracted from Nigeria, they are just convenient scape goats. If the voluntourists, you and me want to make a difference, then we need to cut out consumption even if it means buying a new smart phone every 3 years instead of every year.
 
2019-08-18 2:55:12 AM  

winedrinkingman: Yes you could do the work for free, or you could donate money to a group that will pay someone to do the work.  Now let's consider how this plays out.


Seems to me the tourism part of voluntourism is an incentive to donate, a marketing tactic, and I think it's safe to assume that few of the participants would donate anything like the same monetary value to these charities if the incentive were not in place, so the choice you propose seems a lot less likely than "you could do the work for free (and profit the charity), or you could buy a different holiday."

I'm old enough that yes, getting an instagram photo-op in return for your donation just inherently seems more mockable than getting a tote or a meet-and-greet or an auctioned artwork, but I'm not at all sure that there's really anything ethically worse about it.

The issue highlighted in the article seems FAR less anything to do with the style of donation than it is a problem with indiscriminately supporting unscrupulous charities in the first place.
 
2019-08-18 2:57:31 AM  

winedrinkingman: SafetyThird: winedrinkingman: When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it, and would be much more suitable for the job anyways.

The exemptions are when you are donating your services and they are specialist enough that they would cost money, and that the person who could be doing the work would not be missing it, like when a lawyer does pro bono work or a medical practitioner works for Doctors Without Borders, or nobody is going to be doing it anyways.

I'm going to disagree. What it sounds like you're saying is "unless you have unique skills don't bother trying to help. You're just taking away so opportunity from someone you're trying to help from helping themselves."

I get it from a phony social media feel good angle. I'll agree that's that's sad but overall if more money gets directed toward helping then it's a positive.

Let me phrase that differently.  Yes you could do the work for free, or you could donate money to a group that will pay someone to do the work.  Now let's consider how this plays out.  If you are going to a third world country to work, likely you come from a well off family, and you have means.  Is it better for you to volunteer scrubbing the floors of a hospital in a developing country, or is it better that you stay home, and take all your adventure money, and pay someone, in that developing country, who would otherwise be unemployed, to scrub the floors in that hospital instead?  

You scrub the floors, well you created a huge carbon foot print to get there, you are not going to scrub the floor any better than the local, but if the local does it, he now has a little more money to feed his family.  You do it, sure the floors get clean, but there is one more unemployed person in that developing community.

But of course you don't get cool stories to tell your friends about how you found yourself, and grew so spiritually when you donated that money instead of going on a fun trip, but you have helped someone out.

Now there are people who benefit developing countries, because of the expertise they bring with them, but chances are you are not that person.  

Even here in the states, this can be a problem.  My old church used to employ janitors, many of them with cognitive disabilities that impaired their ability to find a normal job.  Church paid them to clean the chapels, and tend to the garden.  Then someone realized they could fire the janitors and have the members volunteer to clean the chapels instead, so they stared doing that, telling the members the money saved would be used for other great works.  Some of it may even be used for other good works.  That doesn't do the severely autistic guy, or the woman with down-syndrome who used to clean my chapel much good.  They had a job that paid them money, didn't work them so many hours that they lost their disability, and that they could do.  But hey, the healthy church members who give up their Saturdays to scrub toilets for the Lord can feel like they are making the world a better place while their leaders are able to increase the building budget, and can now build fancier, prettier looking chapels, that look more fine and splendid.  I mean it's not what Jesus would have done, but it is what they are doing.


Thank you. I understand what you are laying down and I will chew on it when I'm a little more sober.

I think it showcases just how complicated these things are. Things are super complicated.I mean hunting animals in Africa is funding conservation efforts.

I also feel the need to be physically present is a big factor. I know the frustration of not being able to help l those over there when my skills might be useful. I think most of us share this. I'd like to promote that mindset.
 
aerojockey [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-18 3:06:59 AM  

winedrinkingman: Even here in the states, this can be a problem. My old church used to employ janitors, many of them with cognitive disabilities that impaired their ability to find a normal job. Church paid them to clean the chapels, and tend to the garden. Then someone realized they could fire the janitors and have the members volunteer to clean the chapels instead, so they stared doing that, telling the members the money saved would be used for other great works. Some of it may even be used for other good works. That doesn't do the severely autistic guy, or the woman with down-syndrome who used to clean my chapel much good. They had a job that paid them money, didn't work them so many hours that they lost their disability, and that they could do. But hey, the healthy church members who give up their Saturdays to scrub toilets for the Lord can feel like they are making the world a better place while their leaders are able to increase the building budget, and can now build fancier, prettier looking chapels, that look more fine and splendid. I mean it's not what Jesus would have done, but it is what they are doing.


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2019-08-18 3:38:36 AM  

Is_This_Us: Nora Gretz: When Australia sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're backpackers. They're voluntourists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I will always choose the Australian in a horror movie. They've seen some shiat .And the guys are all "That's not a knife,This is a knife." And the Shelias are "OK you killed that one.Go get your Ute and we'll talk."


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DerAppie  
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2019-08-18 3:40:20 AM  
Read the book Dead Aid.

Teach English in [third world country]? You'll be there for 6 months. The next teacher will not know where you left of, all rapport with students resets when the next teacher appears, the new teacher will have a different approach to teaching, and overall continuity and efficiency just sucks.

Building houses? Your building skills suck. Chances are they are hiring people to tear down half your work to redo it properly at night. If not, you're putting actual construction workers out of a job and putting people in shoddily constructed houses.

Managing some sort of development fund? They'll constantly demand free stuff, and either sell it on, or do stuff like cutting mosquito nets into bridal wear. And when you providing stuff for free (because if it isn't free, but still very cheap they stop abusing the system) your colleagues will ask why you are doing so because it might hurt your funding next round.

And lets not start about how all the free clothing killed an entire industry.

Give money so the local industry can get a boost, or have specialist skills you'll be passing on over a longer period.
 
Gyrfalcon  
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2019-08-18 3:44:48 AM  
As much as you may dislike "corporate" aid groups and NGOs, they are already there and know the needs and have people--usually local people--in place to do work that needs done. Give them your money and know that even if the CEO is getting a six figure paycheck, your contribution  helps where it is needed. Or, volunteer with such a group stateside so that an experienced person can go to Africa or Indonesia instead.
 
padraig  
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2019-08-18 3:45:12 AM  

aerojockey: winedrinkingman: When you volunteer you are always taking a job from someone who could be getting paid for it,

Always.  Because there's always money to pay for the work volunteers do.


By donating maybe half of what they bought their package for, they could pay for maybe five or ten local qualified people.
 
GreenSun  
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2019-08-18 3:48:31 AM  
1. Discover that westerners love "helping" poor children of third world countries.
2. $$$PROFIT$$$

If Belle Delphine can make money by selling her bathwater no matter how stupid and disgusting that sounds, then it's definitely very easy to profit on people's weak, soft, gullible, easily manipulated hearts.
 
padraig  
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2019-08-18 3:57:30 AM  
Spent some vacations in Haiti. Discovered there that NGOs were completely despised. I mean,people were RELIEVED to find out i was a mere tourist.
 
Is_This_Us  
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2019-08-18 5:18:12 AM  

Alien Robot: Is_This_Us: Nora Gretz: When Australia sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're backpackers. They're voluntourists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I will always choose the Australian in a horror movie. They've seen some shiat .And the guys are all "That's not a knife,This is a knife." And the Shelias are "OK you killed that one.Go get your Ute and we'll talk."

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Hwat's a "Ute"?


Shhh . We would call it a Chevy Elcamino
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or a Ford Randhero..
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However It's a Ute.
 
2019-08-18 5:36:39 AM  

Creidiki: AppleOptionEsc: Creidiki: Would these voluntourists ever consider dialling back the wholesale pillage and rape of developing countries? Just a little, it might make a bigger difference.

If a tourist was a CEO? Maybe if they were private or an investor with major holdings. Otherwise, you get fark snark points for being funny but as useful as my comment.

First world standard of life is dependent on massive amounts of natural resources and human labour extracted from third world countries. CEO's don't personally consume every drop of crude extracted from Nigeria, they are just convenient scape goats. If the voluntourists, you and me want to make a difference, then we need to cut out consumption even if it means buying a new smart phone every 3 years instead of every year.


I am an much a tourist as your average American. Not very. People can only buy what they can afford, and people who own the business decide when, where, and how they sell a product. If the major telecoms all buy thier phones from X countries where the workers are in sweatshops, the only.option is to go without. There isn't even an alternative. Especially for phones, with rare erath metals exclusively coming from China.

So the guy in charge of product X has more sway than the person who may or may not be educated on where 100% of the thousands of items you purchase a year come from.
 
2019-08-18 5:41:58 AM  
We used to call them Missionaries.

The people running the programs ALWAYS have an agenda, either profit or proxy control. The programs are sold to people of want to assuage their own guilt for their gluttonous behavior.

People are a disease.
 
2019-08-18 5:46:23 AM  
I love creatures. I love them so much that I will try to save any bug rather than kill it, love animals so much, that I am a vegetarian and do not eat anything that lived.
Sometimes I'm thinking I am helping but sometimes I make the situation worse.
My brother who is a hunter Etc laughed at me and followed me down the hall at work, while I ran through it, with a live fuzzy nasty-looking millipede thing that I was rushing outside (I found it inside our offices), was trying to save it on the end of a sheet of paper, before it would have"touched "me.
I finally got to the door opened it up and flung it in the air towards the mulch. . Before it even hit the ground, a bird swooped in and grabbed it and its mouth about an inch before It hit the ground, flung it up in the air twirled it, caught it in the mouth, and gulped it.
My brother laughed so hard he was crying.
Still a vegetarian and love creature; more than people in general.
Still miss my lizard Beardy, and it's been 4 years.. my mom bringing her Jack Russell into the house without my permission is a whole nother story. Dumbass dog
 
drxym  
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2019-08-18 5:47:08 AM  
I thought most of these orphanages were run fundamentalist Christian groups as fronts for their wire fraud, money laundering and diamond smuggling rackets.
 
Nidiot  
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2019-08-18 5:47:51 AM  

Is_This_Us: Alien Robot: Is_This_Us: Nora Gretz: When Australia sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're backpackers. They're voluntourists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I will always choose the Australian in a horror movie. They've seen some shiat .And the guys are all "That's not a knife,This is a knife." And the Shelias are "OK you killed that one.Go get your Ute and we'll talk."

[onceuponascreen.files.wordpress.com image 630x375]
Hwat's a "Ute"?

Shhh . We would call it a Chevy Elcamino
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or a Ford Randhero..
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However It's a Ute.

Ute

is simply short for utility vehicle.
 
TheYeti  
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2019-08-18 6:09:14 AM  

jjorsett: Always keep in mind, no matter what you do, it's either wrong or not enough.


And usually judged as such by someone who does nothing.
 
sleep lack  
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2019-08-18 6:41:50 AM  
Reminds me of the whole Renee Bach thing... unintentional serial killer? Will be interesting to see the outcome of the trial.
 
2019-08-18 7:27:13 AM  

Is_This_Us:


BeardedDragonLizardMan:
I love creatures. I love them so much that I will try to save any bug rather than kill it, love animals so much, that I am a vegetarian and do not eat anything that lived.
Sometimes I'm thinking I am helping but sometimes I make the situation worse.
My brother who is a hunter Etc laughed at me and followed me down the hall at work, while I ran through it, with a live fuzzy nasty-looking millipede thing that I was rushing outside (I found it inside our offices), was trying to save it on the end of a sheet of paper, before it would have"touched "me.
I finally got to the door opened it up and flung it in the air towards the mulch. . Before it even hit the ground, a bird swooped in and grabbed it and its mouth about an inch before It hit the ground, flung it up in the air twirled it, caught it in the mouth, and gulped it.
My brother laughed so hard he was crying.
Still a vegetarian and love creature; more than people in general.
Still miss my lizard Beardy, and it's been 4 years.. my mom bringing her Jack Russell into the house without my permission is a whole nother story. Dumbass dog


you are telling my story, kid.  i would've tried to save the bug, and my hunter brother would've laughed his ass off.  what can we do, but what we do?  :>
but why wasn't the bird confused to see a flying millipede?
 
2019-08-18 7:56:51 AM  
I call it EgoTourism.   The only one you are helping is your ego.
 
2019-08-18 8:00:37 AM  

Shirley Ujest: I call it EgoTourism.   The only one you are helping is your ego.


*Uploads new definition to brain-files for future use*
 
2019-08-18 8:10:34 AM  

padraig: Spent some vacations in Haiti. Discovered there that NGOs were completely despised. I mean,people were RELIEVED to find out i was a mere tourist.


The NGOs helped destroy the agricultural system there.  Why buy food from local producers when NGOs give it out for free
 
2019-08-18 8:11:44 AM  
Moral of the story: You're only as good as your wallet. Charities are really better off telling you "Give us your money and fark off." If you get anything out of doing volunteer work, it means you don't really care about who you're "helping."
 
2019-08-18 8:19:49 AM  

Is_This_Us: Nora Gretz: When Australia sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're backpackers. They're voluntourists. And some, I assume, are good people.

I will always choose the Australian in a horror movie. They've seen some shiat .And the guys are all "That's not a knife,This is a knife." And the Shelias are "OK you killed that one.Go get your Ute and we'll talk."


Kano didn't last very long.

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2019-08-18 8:22:18 AM  

Roja Herring: padraig: Spent some vacations in Haiti. Discovered there that NGOs were completely despised. I mean,people were RELIEVED to find out i was a mere tourist.

The NGOs helped destroy the agricultural system there.  Why buy food from local producers when NGOs give it out for free


In many countries the NGOs bribe local officials for the "permits" to distribute stuff.  This contributes to corruption, and usually ensures the worst people run things.
Wait a minute, that sounds awfully familiar.
 
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2019-08-18 8:26:35 AM  
 
2019-08-18 8:47:42 AM  
winedrinkingman:

Let me phrase that differently.  Yes you could do the work for free, or you could donate money to a group that will pay someone to do the work.  Now let's consider how this plays out.  If you are going to a third world country to work, likely you come from a well off family, and you have means.  Is it better for you to volunteer scrubbing the floors of a hospital in a developing country, or is it better that you stay home, and take all your adventure money, and pay someone, in that developing country, who would otherwise be unemployed, to scrub the floors in that hospital instead?

I agree. It's much more efficient to use my tech skills at home to earn money and give it to the charity abroad, then to send me over there and watch me flail around trying to build a house. It's not like there is a lack of unemployed people with house-building skills..there's a lack of money.

This is also why I give my local food bank money instead of food. They can buy food at a much better price than I can, since they buy it in bulk and also tax-free as a non-profit (yes, I know most food is not taxed but some is). They can also choose what to buy to best meet their needs.

/ Not sure they'd have much use for my leftover canned pumpkin and pickled beets anyway.
// I once had an unused bottle of margarita mix. Would I go to hell for donating that?
 
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