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nmrsnr [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-16 1:04:40 PM  
Alternative headline: Unwanted creature near lower Maryland sucks all oxygen out of the environment. Experts haven't seen anything like it since the Reagan administration. But enough about Trump, the Chesepeake Bay is in trouble, too.
 
PunGent  
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2019-08-16 3:18:15 PM  
"Three dogs died hours after playing at a pond in North Carolina"

N.C.?

God is angry at the gays again, no doubt.

/mysterious ways
 
Insain2  
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2019-08-16 3:18:58 PM  
That's some nasty "Shat Water".......
 
ChipNASA  
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2019-08-16 3:22:03 PM  
Old Bay eater here.
1. This happens every year
2. FKCK USA Today and their ad blocker
3. Read here, https://wtop.com/maryland/2019/08/data-confirms-growing-dead-zone-in-chesapeake-bay/
4. SO don't swim or fish there. Most of the animals in the bay avoid this area.
5. Meh.
 
AngryDragon  
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2019-08-16 3:22:10 PM  
Just another coincdence.  Nothing to see here.
 
Marine1  
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2019-08-16 3:22:26 PM  
But more importantly, how is Exxon Mobil's stock doing?
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 3:25:01 PM  
There's a Malpeque in Prince Edward Island, named after the one in France.

A cargo ship of oysters sank there, IIRC. Genealogy. It's a whole education in geography, demographics, history and such.

Oyster beds and coral reefs are very vulnerable to pollution, sediment, human and dog viruses, and all sorts of things, notably fertilizer. Dead Zones are caused by the growth of algae and the depletion of oxygen. That there is one in or outside of Chesapeak Bay is not surprise, The famous crabs and oysters of Maryland and Delaware are toast. Thank you Trump, but thank you German inventor of artificial fossil-fuel based fertilizers even more.

They make a desert and call it peace. Faciunt desertem and appelerant "Pacem". You know who I mean.

LA has it much worse. The Dead Zone there is bigger than Trump's ego. The Red Tides are deadly also.
 
RedfordRenegade  
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2019-08-16 3:27:23 PM  
Dont algae photosynthesize which produces oxygen?  Or as the algae dies off the decay uses oxygen?  I guess I'm having trouble understanding how something could be living in the dead zone.  Plus I'm drunk as hell which doesn't help
 
thorpe [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 3:30:35 PM  
"The worst section includes the lower Potomac and Patuxent rivers and much of the Bay, from Baltimore to the mouth of the York River. "

That's a hell of a lot of the bay.

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RabbiSheepshanker  
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2019-08-16 3:32:19 PM  
Native Balti-moron here. Dead zone is in my farking skull. 🤨

/Shalom, y'all.
 
lordjupiter  
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2019-08-16 3:34:09 PM  
You have Gov Hogan and his bullshiat "rain tax" election gimmick to thank for this.
 
albuquerquehalsey  
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2019-08-16 3:34:38 PM  
brantgoose: Thank you Trump, but thank you German inventor of artificial fossil-fuel based fertilizers even more.

One, this is a problem that has it's origins in the 1800's; so...ORANGE MAN BAD.

Second, the Haber process is why half the world's population is not starving right now, and why BILLIONS  have not starved in the past.

Third, it's the runoff of pollution due to land mismanagement that's the problem, not the fertilizer itself.

But thanks for your input, statistically-likely  first-world fatboy.
 
sinner4ever  
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2019-08-16 3:40:32 PM  
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brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 3:42:59 PM  
I can't confirm what I just said about Malpeque oysters. Drat it. Google has failed me. But the cold water oysters are some of the best in the world, and far from sources of pollution. In France, they farm oysters 5 kilometres out to sea in beds called "claires" or "clears"'. Oyster really clean water a treat.

They are the sewer rats of the sea.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 3:44:13 PM  

RedfordRenegade: Dont algae photosynthesize which produces oxygen?  Or as the algae dies off the decay uses oxygen?  I guess I'm having trouble understanding how something could be living in the dead zone.  Plus I'm drunk as hell which doesn't help


The second is correct. The green algae bloom and die, creating a dead zone by consuming so much oxygen few things can live there. They tend to be seasonal.
 
Nullav  
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2019-08-16 3:48:42 PM  

RedfordRenegade: Dont algae photosynthesize which produces oxygen?  Or as the algae dies off the decay uses oxygen?  I guess I'm having trouble understanding how something could be living in the dead zone.  Plus I'm drunk as hell which doesn't help


It's the decay that consumes all the oxygen. Apparently, there aren't enough things that eat cyanobacteria, so they just build up to the point that they're visible from space, and then they die aggressively.
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Nullav  
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2019-08-16 3:49:51 PM  

brantgoose: RedfordRenegade: Dont algae photosynthesize which produces oxygen?  Or as the algae dies off the decay uses oxygen?  I guess I'm having trouble understanding how something could be living in the dead zone.  Plus I'm drunk as hell which doesn't help

The second is correct. The green algae bloom and die, creating a dead zone by consuming so much oxygen few things can live there. They tend to be seasonal.


*Shakes algal fist*
 
TomTudbury  
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2019-08-16 3:53:24 PM  
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brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 3:58:50 PM  

albuquerquehalsey: brantgoose: Thank you Trump, but thank you German inventor of artificial fossil-fuel based fertilizers even more.

One, this is a problem that has it's origins in the 1800's; so...ORANGE MAN BAD.

Second, the Haber process is why half the world's population is not starving right now, and why BILLIONS  have not starved in the past.

Third, it's the runoff of pollution due to land mismanagement that's the problem, not the fertilizer itself.

But thanks for your input, statistically-likely  first-world fatboy.


Time Shift, Ben Bova, NASA engineer, scientist, science fiction writer. Has a brother who is expert in several other disciplines beside his own.

I never said anything for or against Haber's process except in connection with green algae blooms (in fresh water they kill dogs and sometimes human swimmers or cattle). Sure it feeds half the world. And kills the other half with water, land and air pollution.

I'm from farm country myself and know a few things about agriculture and the environment from having lived in both. I know it is a land management issue. But where do you think the run off goes when farmers cause erosion and over-fertilization?

My BMI is close to 25, which is not fat, it's plump. I do live in the First World, but I am not very First Worldish. I read books as well as websites and Tweets. I don't really see any direction contradiction between my points and your points, apart from the Trumpian fatty fatty fat fat taunt.

You sound Trumpian. Trump-like typing detected.    ; )

Bugger farmers. They're the meanest people in the world. And some of the best, with no kidding or back-paddling à la Trump.

I know a lot of our potato farmers are really mean and stupid Trumpers and survivalists whang doodles, but some of them are educated, intelligent and earnest Christians and scientific farmers who know much more than anybody I know about doing agriculture right. Many of them have been to Africa, to Cuba or to South America to teach farming as part of development and aid projects. They can tell you anything you like about the good and bad sides of modern capitalist farming techniques.

Most of the greens and environmentalists are even more concerned about keeping the lights on and helping the development world to develop and become as rich and healthy and safe and politically correct as we are.

Anything else is a straw man, but I do not accuse you of this because you haven't put forward any of the usual conservative bullshiat and you aren't wrong about Haber, just filling in blanks, basically.

Why can't we be friends?

Well, we are in separate countries and probably quite distant for anything but penpal relations, but the thought is sound. No contraction, really. Just different selections of cromulent POVs.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 4:00:09 PM  

Nullav: brantgoose: RedfordRenegade: Dont algae photosynthesize which produces oxygen?  Or as the algae dies off the decay uses oxygen?  I guess I'm having trouble understanding how something could be living in the dead zone.  Plus I'm drunk as hell which doesn't help

The second is correct. The green algae bloom and die, creating a dead zone by consuming so much oxygen few things can live there. They tend to be seasonal.

*Shakes algal fist*


You are correct, sir. And I ended up Second Poster, but that is just the luck of the draw, speaking web gun-slingerly.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 4:00:56 PM  
Caught with my pants down, but not doing a number one or a number two on anybody, I hope.
 
alechemist [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-16 4:01:46 PM  

Marine1: But more importantly, how is Exxon Mobil's stock doing?


Farmers in the Chesapeake water shed are more likely to be blamed for this issue.
 
Foolkiller  
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2019-08-16 4:02:06 PM  
So that's where they're draining the swamp to.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 4:04:28 PM  

thorpe: "The worst section includes the lower Potomac and Patuxent rivers and much of the Bay, from Baltimore to the mouth of the York River. "

That's a hell of a lot of the bay.

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Some of Slartibartfast's best work with fractals. I hope he won an award for it, but at least he will always have Norway.

Norway. Not Trump's.
 
whidbey  
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2019-08-16 4:04:58 PM  
Go figure.

Short term moneymaking is always better than long term health of an ecosystem.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 4:05:05 PM  

Foolkiller: So that's where they're draining the swamp to.


Now we are back on track. Mocking Trumpers. It's all right now.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-16 4:07:07 PM  

whidbey: Go figure.

Short term moneymaking is always better than long term health of an ecosystem.


For Republicans. And quite a few Limousine Liberals and Machine Democrats, too, sadly. The crime is bi-partisan. It always is where money or sex is involved. There is no Sexy Party, despite what you might read in yellow journalism and low publications.
 
lordjupiter  
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2019-08-16 4:53:04 PM  

brantgoose: whidbey: Go figure.

Short term moneymaking is always better than long term health of an ecosystem.

For Republicans. And quite a few Limousine Liberals and Machine Democrats, too, sadly. The crime is bi-partisan. It always is where money or sex is involved. There is no Sexy Party, despite what you might read in yellow journalism and low publications.


BOTH SIDES ARE BAD, Y'ALL
 
cryinoutloud  
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2019-08-16 5:28:12 PM  

thorpe: "The worst section includes the lower Potomac and Patuxent rivers and much of the Bay, from Baltimore to the mouth of the York River. "
That's a hell of a lot of the bay.
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Sad.  My brother lives near the Bay, and he was telling me how much time and money has been spent trying to restore it.
But what do people expect when we keep right on dumping waste and fertilizer into it just as fast as we always have?

It's just huge too, and has water running into it from every creek and river in that part of the country.  I'd be surprised if it wasn't polluted as hell.
 
FleshFlapps  
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2019-08-16 5:32:14 PM  

brantgoose: albuquerquehalsey: brantgoose: Thank you Trump, but thank you German inventor of artificial fossil-fuel based fertilizers even more.

One, this is a problem that has it's origins in the 1800's; so...ORANGE MAN BAD.

Second, the Haber process is why half the world's population is not starving right now, and why BILLIONS  have not starved in the past.

Third, it's the runoff of pollution due to land mismanagement that's the problem, not the fertilizer itself.

But thanks for your input, statistically-likely  first-world fatboy.

Time Shift, Ben Bova, NASA engineer, scientist, science fiction writer. Has a brother who is expert in several other disciplines beside his own.

I never said anything for or against Haber's process except in connection with green algae blooms (in fresh water they kill dogs and sometimes human swimmers or cattle). Sure it feeds half the world. And kills the other half with water, land and air pollution.

I'm from farm country myself and know a few things about agriculture and the environment from having lived in both. I know it is a land management issue. But where do you think the run off goes when farmers cause erosion and over-fertilization?

My BMI is close to 25, which is not fat, it's plump. I do live in the First World, but I am not very First Worldish. I read books as well as websites and Tweets. I don't really see any direction contradiction between my points and your points, apart from the Trumpian fatty fatty fat fat taunt.

You sound Trumpian. Trump-like typing detected.    ; )

Bugger farmers. They're the meanest people in the world. And some of the best, with no kidding or back-paddling à la Trump.

I know a lot of our potato farmers are really mean and stupid Trumpers and survivalists whang doodles, but some of them are educated, intelligent and earnest Christians and scientific farmers who know much more than anybody I know about doing agriculture right. Many of them have been to Africa, to Cuba or to South America to teach farming as part of development and aid projects. They can tell you anything you like about the good and bad sides of modern capitalist farming techniques.

Most of the greens and environmentalists are even more concerned about keeping the lights on and helping the development world to develop and become as rich and healthy and safe and politically correct as we are.

Anything else is a straw man, but I do not accuse you of this because you haven't put forward any of the usual conservative bullshiat and you aren't wrong about Haber, just filling in blanks, basically.

Why can't we be friends?

Well, we are in separate countries and probably quite distant for anything but penpal relations, but the thought is sound. No contraction, really. Just different selections of cromulent POVs.


He destroyed your argument. As far as google is concerned, he is still correct.
 
maxheck  
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2019-08-16 8:38:52 PM  

RedfordRenegade: Dont algae photosynthesize which produces oxygen? Or as the algae dies off the decay uses oxygen?


You answered your first question with the second. Yeah, it's the decay of the algae that sucks up the oxygen. Godzilla could have told you what that causes.
 
maxheck  
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2019-08-16 8:46:24 PM  

lordjupiter: You have Gov Hogan and his bullshiat "rain tax" election gimmick to thank for this.


Ask Ellicott City how bullshiat that rain tax is. It's meant to deal with things like this that were caused by overdevelopment upstream.


Ellicott City Flash Flood 7/30/2016
Youtube k-shmNbxAqs


This isn't a flood that came from the Patapsco rising, this is a flash flood coming from developers paving over fields and forests *uphill*. Ellicott City has been there for over 200 years. The "Rain Tax" was for flood mitigation and management infrastructure.

It happened again two years later.

But you go on with your opinion.
 
lordjupiter  
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2019-08-16 8:53:02 PM  

maxheck: lordjupiter: You have Gov Hogan and his bullshiat "rain tax" election gimmick to thank for this.

Ask Ellicott City how bullshiat that rain tax is. It's meant to deal with things like this that were caused by overdevelopment upstream.


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/k-shmNbxAqs]

This isn't a flood that came from the Patapsco rising, this is a flash flood coming from developers paving over fields and forests *uphill*. Ellicott City has been there for over 200 years. The "Rain Tax" was for flood mitigation and management infrastructure.

It happened again two years later.

But you go on with your opinion.



What the fark are you talking about?  I'm criticizing Hogan for running on a platform that decreased ability to STOP this kind of flooding and address the health of the Bay due to runoff, because he chose to frame it as a "rain tax" in typical Republican style.

I know all about the EC flooding, believe me.
 
maxheck  
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2019-08-16 9:28:06 PM  

lordjupiter: maxheck: lordjupiter: You have Gov Hogan and his bullshiat "rain tax" election gimmick to thank for this.

Ask Ellicott City how bullshiat that rain tax is. It's meant to deal with things like this that were caused by overdevelopment upstream.


[Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/k-shmNbxAqs]

This isn't a flood that came from the Patapsco rising, this is a flash flood coming from developers paving over fields and forests *uphill*. Ellicott City has been there for over 200 years. The "Rain Tax" was for flood mitigation and management infrastructure.

It happened again two years later.

But you go on with your opinion.


What the fark are you talking about?  I'm criticizing Hogan for running on a platform that decreased ability to STOP this kind of flooding and address the health of the Bay due to runoff, because he chose to frame it as a "rain tax" in typical Republican style.

I know all about the EC flooding, believe me.


My apologies.... Misread your meaning.
 
thorpe [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 1:05:42 AM  

cryinoutloud: thorpe: "The worst section includes the lower Potomac and Patuxent rivers and much of the Bay, from Baltimore to the mouth of the York River. "
That's a hell of a lot of the bay.
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Sad.  My brother lives near the Bay, and he was telling me how much time and money has been spent trying to restore it.
But what do people expect when we keep right on dumping waste and fertilizer into it just as fast as we always have?

It's just huge too, and has water running into it from every creek and river in that part of the country.  I'd be surprised if it wasn't polluted as hell.


Actually it's not polluted as hell, and grasses and fish an shellfish and crustaceans have been slowly coming back for awhile. But we got a huge amount of rain in the winter and spring and that's what washed so amny pollutants into the bay, which is what caused the algae.
 
thorpe [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 1:11:06 AM  

brantgoose: For Republicans. And quite a few Limousine Liberals and Machine Democrats, too, sadly. The crime is bi-partisan. It always is where money or sex is involved. There is no Sexy Party, despite what you might read in yellow journalism and low publications.


What's this silly crap? This is about an algae bloom. If you're going to do a BSAB routine you should be criticizing oysters.
 
lordjupiter  
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2019-08-17 5:57:51 AM  

thorpe: cryinoutloud: thorpe: "The worst section includes the lower Potomac and Patuxent rivers and much of the Bay, from Baltimore to the mouth of the York River. "
That's a hell of a lot of the bay.
[Fark user image image 816x1500]

Sad.  My brother lives near the Bay, and he was telling me how much time and money has been spent trying to restore it.
But what do people expect when we keep right on dumping waste and fertilizer into it just as fast as we always have?

It's just huge too, and has water running into it from every creek and river in that part of the country.  I'd be surprised if it wasn't polluted as hell.

Actually it's not polluted as hell, and grasses and fish an shellfish and crustaceans have been slowly coming back for awhile. But we got a huge amount of rain in the winter and spring and that's what washed so amny pollutants into the bay, which is what caused the algae.



What do you think harms the ecosystem?  It isn't always continual, steady supplies of pollutants.  Sometimes it's periods of surge.  That's why environmental regulations exist.  It all adds up and anyone who works in agriculture should know that rainfall doesn't just trickle down from the sky in the exact quantities and speeds you require.
 
thorpe [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 1:10:11 PM  
lordjupiter:
thorpe:Actually it's not polluted as hell, and grasses and fish an shellfish and crustaceans have been slowly coming back for awhile. But we got a huge amount of rain in the winter and spring and that's what washed so amny pollutants into the bay, which is what caused the algae.


What do you think harms the ecosystem?  It isn't always continual, steady supplies of pollutants.  Sometimes it's periods of surge.  That's why environmental regulations exist.  It all adds up and anyone who works in agriculture should know that rainfall doesn't just trickle down from the sky in the exact quantities and speeds you require.

Um, you're taking issue with me saying the Chesapeake Bay water quality and aquatice life has been improving slowly?

OK, show your work.
 
lordjupiter  
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2019-08-17 2:36:39 PM  

thorpe: lordjupiter:
thorpe:Actually it's not polluted as hell, and grasses and fish an shellfish and crustaceans have been slowly coming back for awhile. But we got a huge amount of rain in the winter and spring and that's what washed so amny pollutants into the bay, which is what caused the algae.


What do you think harms the ecosystem?  It isn't always continual, steady supplies of pollutants.  Sometimes it's periods of surge.  That's why environmental regulations exist.  It all adds up and anyone who works in agriculture should know that rainfall doesn't just trickle down from the sky in the exact quantities and speeds you require.

Um, you're taking issue with me saying the Chesapeake Bay water quality and aquatice life has been improving slowly?

OK, show your work.


You didn't understand what I wrote.  You can have slow progress that gets wiped out quickly because of the nature of weather, particularly in sensitive areas.  Regulations try to account for that.

Do you understand now?
 
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