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(The Daily Beast)   Testifying in such high profiles cases as OJ's , John Benet Ramsey's and Scott Peterson's, Dr. Henry Lee is a superstar celebrity in the world of criminal forensics. He's also really bad at his job, a pathological liar, or both   (thedailybeast.com) divider line
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dittybopper  
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2019-06-24 2:08:15 PM  
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Here lies the career of Henry Lee
Died at the age of 103
For 30 long years he committed perjury.
That's about par for the forensic community.
 
2019-06-24 5:17:20 PM  
Nick Cave and PJ Harvey - Henry Lee
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sinko swimo  
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2019-06-24 5:18:51 PM  
some people want to punish others so we have a law enforcement / legal system full of liars and generally horrible people. they can screw up on purpose or by mistake and there is no price they pay.
 
2019-06-24 5:19:10 PM  
It's the american dream to bullshiat your way into fame. You earned it, Dr. Lee.

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2019-06-24 5:21:45 PM  
Why don't we take all the remaining sentences of those he helped get convicted and let him serve them all (and not concurrently)?
 
2019-06-24 5:22:08 PM  
Lot of sour grapes in that list.
 
2019-06-24 5:23:02 PM  
Didn't this guy get a lot of people off death row years ago using DNA technology? Sucks if this is true, but I'd think he did a lot of good.
 
tasteme  
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2019-06-24 5:26:33 PM  
Lee has a defense for each alleged screw-up. In the Stochmal case, he insists the "lawyers don't understand the science"

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hissatsu [TotalFark]  
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2019-06-24 5:26:52 PM  
If the full extent of forensic malpractice in the US over the past century was ever known, it would likely be pretty appalling. You don't have to look far for examples. Combine that with police and prosecutorial misconduct, and you might conclude that our criminal justice system is not particularly good at the justice part, but it is excellent at the criminal part. If it's any consolation, know that while the human cost in lives ruined and lost, and profound societal and financial cost have been extremely high, very few of the perpetrators will ever face any consequences.
 
skozlaw [OhFark]  
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2019-06-24 5:29:40 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Didn't this guy get a lot of people off death row years ago using DNA technology


Not that I can find.
 
bizzwire  
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2019-06-24 5:32:25 PM  
CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB
 
2019-06-24 5:34:58 PM  

SirEattonHogg: It's the american dream to bullshiat your way into fame. You earned it, Dr. Lee.

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2019-06-24 5:42:55 PM  

EvilElecBlanket: Didn't this guy get a lot of people off death row years ago using DNA technology? Sucks if this is true, but I'd think he did a lot of good.


Are you possibly confusing him with another OJ attorney, Barry Scheck?
 
2019-06-24 5:44:16 PM  

you are a puppet: EvilElecBlanket: Didn't this guy get a lot of people off death row years ago using DNA technology? Sucks if this is true, but I'd think he did a lot of good.

Are you possibly confusing him with another OJ attorney, Barry Scheck?


Looking it up Scheck was the one who cross examined Lee btw so that mixup would make sense
 
mmagdalene  
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2019-06-24 5:48:09 PM  
"The Staircase"; blood spatter evidence. He's an expert witne$$, alright.
 
2019-06-24 5:50:48 PM  

you are a puppet: EvilElecBlanket: Didn't this guy get a lot of people off death row years ago using DNA technology? Sucks if this is true, but I'd think he did a lot of good.

Are you possibly confusing him with another OJ attorney, Barry Scheck?


Yes I am. I knew there was one of OJ's defense team who went on to redeem himself.
 
2019-06-24 5:51:32 PM  
I'm pretty sure the most dangerous job in the world is to be this guy's young naive assistant.  Not only will you mess up by allowing health skepticism into any analysis, but this guy knows a thousands ways to kill you and then frame you for your own murder.
 
2019-06-24 5:52:17 PM  

bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB


That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm
 
Gyrfalcon  
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2019-06-24 6:05:50 PM  
Read "Whores of the Court" for an old but informative take on "expert" witnesses.
 
whyaduck  
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2019-06-24 6:11:15 PM  
All I know about Dr. Henry Lee is that he likes to refer to himself in the third person.

"Dr. Henry Lee had to scramble up the hill."

Oh and University of New Haven has a school of forensics named after him.
 
2019-06-24 6:15:08 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm


Someone went to mortuary school....
 
Fano  
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2019-06-24 6:16:59 PM  

hissatsu: If the full extent of forensic malpractice in the US over the past century was ever known, it would likely be pretty appalling. You don't have to look far for examples. Combine that with police and prosecutorial misconduct, and you might conclude that our criminal justice system is not particularly good at the justice part, but it is excellent at the criminal part. If it's any consolation, know that while the human cost in lives ruined and lost, and profound societal and financial cost have been extremely high, very few of the perpetrators will ever face any consequences.


Oh like Fred Zane
 
Ex-Texan  
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2019-06-24 6:18:02 PM  
I have issues with forensic pathological liars.
BTW, how much to lance this boil on humanities ass?
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allears [TotalFark]  
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2019-06-24 6:28:44 PM  
My dad, Henry Levine, ran a jewelry store in the Midwest back in the 40's and 50's. Due to the general anti-Semitism in that time and place, he called himself Henry Lee.
So I'm getting a kick...
 
Gyrfalcon  
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2019-06-24 6:41:02 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm


Also: "cremulator"??
 
Wendigogo [TotalFark]  
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2019-06-24 6:50:41 PM  

Gyrfalcon: NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm

Also: "cremulator"??


Google it. It's a real thing.
 
Naido [TotalFark]  
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2019-06-24 6:53:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm

Also: "cremulator"??


A perfectly cromulent word
 
wyldkard  
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2019-06-24 6:53:30 PM  

dittybopper: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Here lies the career of Henry Lee
Died at the age of 103
For 30 long years he committed perjury.
That's about par for the forensic community.


Fits perfectly with the Beverly Hillbillies theme
 
whyaduck  
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2019-06-24 6:55:02 PM  
This is where I have to recommend Smoke Gets In Your Eyes by Caitlyn Doughty. Whereupon you learn why fat people get cremated first thing in the morning and the dangers of a newly resurfaced retort.
 
isthisme  
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2019-06-24 7:09:00 PM  
Court "experts" are paid to give the facts which benefits the side paying him.

Both side do that because people giving testimony can only speak to the questions they are asked. Unlike TV shows/movie, a person on the stand cannot just start talking non-stop about anything they want.

Which is why defense attorneys are usually not fans of their client taking the stand. I only say that because it still baffles me how every time I have jury duty, well over half the people raise their hands when asked if they view it as a negative that a person doesn't testify on their own behalf.

It's the oppositions job to either counter with an equal expert or learn enough about the science being given to ask questions which makes the expert not seem so convincing to the jury. AKA, OJ's Dream Team. Each lawyer focused on parts of the trial.

Legal experts can make a lot of money off their court testimony, not just from lawyers buying that testimony but in certain cases, TV news show appearances, books, being an adviser, etc. If they get up there and start testifying about other theories the evidence also showed them, they won't be asked back.

Experts are paid witnesses and should be viewed as such. They might say they agree to tell the truth and the whole truth, but that's as much garbage as saying the justice system is blind and everyone is equal under the law.
 
Priapetic [BareFark]  
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2019-06-24 7:10:30 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm


That is a perfectly cremulent explanation.

/learned a new word today!
//cremulator would be a good mmorpg character name
 
Priapetic [BareFark]  
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2019-06-24 7:11:14 PM  

Naido: Gyrfalcon: NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm

Also: "cremulator"??

A perfectly cromulent word


Dammit
 
2019-06-24 7:11:47 PM  
It scares me how different medical examiner conclusions can be. The Rebecca Zahau case is a prime example. The young boy that died under her care was murdered when he was pushed against a banister, and yet another examiner said it was an accident when he fell. And one concluded she committed suicide by binding her arms and legs and jumping off her balcony, which seems absurd.  We rely on experts but who checks the experts?
 
Priapetic [BareFark]  
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2019-06-24 7:27:11 PM  
Forensic evidence is really tricky to use well in a case, since many times it's more subject to interpretation than people expect. Despite the hit piece this article was, I think Dr. Lee is an above average forensic practitioner.
 
bizzwire  
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2019-06-24 7:28:47 PM  

NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.


I didn't mention it. But Dr. Lee went on to say that because of cases like this (and the lawsuits that followed), crematoria went on to adopt the practices you described.  The talk I mentioned was about 20 years ago.
 
sprgrss  
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2019-06-24 7:30:19 PM  
I've seen some pretty dicey "experts" get tendered and testify as experts over the years.  It's by and large due to attorneys/judges not knowing a damned thing about the subject area and "experts" being willing to say and do anything to benefit the side that is paying them and also attorneys not wanting to get into a battle of the experts either.  It's distracting so in some respects attorneys let "experts" testify despite how outlandish they are.

I don't know what the remedy is for this problem, but it's been a problem for a very long time.
 
Priapetic [BareFark]  
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2019-06-24 7:30:47 PM  
Crap, hit post too soon.  Dr. Lee was one of three professors that taught Law and Forensic Science at UCONN School of Law, which was the most popular class in school. His lectures were always entertaining, but definitely a big ego feed for him.
 
2019-06-24 7:38:31 PM  
Never take a cola based soda from him either.
 
2019-06-24 7:52:15 PM  

tasteme: Lee has a defense for each alleged screw-up. In the Stochmal case, he insists the "lawyers don't understand the science"


Which might be from a more credible place if Dr. Lee actually knew how to determine what blood was.
 
2019-06-24 8:38:16 PM  

sprgrss: I've seen some pretty dicey "experts" get tendered and testify as experts over the years. It's by and large due to attorneys/judges not knowing a damned thing about the subject area and "experts" being willing to say and do anything to benefit the side that is paying them and also attorneys not wanting to get into a battle of the experts either. It's distracting so in some respects attorneys let "experts" testify despite how outlandish they are.

I don't know what the remedy is for this problem, but it's been a problem for a very long time.


Had one such "expert" who was an attractive female with "Doctor" before her name. She used to testify as an expert witness, mostly at DUI trials, and she basically lied to benefit the defendant. Most of the assistant DAs didn't know how to cross examine her. The District Attorney's office finally got some real experts to formulate a list of questions to ask her when she was being qualified as an expert and when she testified. Defense attorneys stopped hiring her after that because it exposed her as the fraud that she was.
 
Karac  
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2019-06-24 8:53:30 PM  

sprgrss: I've seen some pretty dicey "experts" get tendered and testify as experts over the years.  It's by and large due to attorneys/judges not knowing a damned thing about the subject area and "experts" being willing to say and do anything to benefit the side that is paying them and also attorneys not wanting to get into a battle of the experts either.  It's distracting so in some respects attorneys let "experts" testify despite how outlandish they are.

I don't know what the remedy is for this problem, but it's been a problem for a very long time.


I think the start would be to give the defense money to have evidence examined by crime labs (how can you have effective assistance if you can't pay for evidence to be effectively examined?) and then to have all evidence anonymized so that the labs don't know whether they're looking at something for a prosecutor or for a defense attorney.  And so they don't know if they're looking at evidence for the OJ case or for simple possession.
 
Magorn [TotalFark]  
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2019-06-24 8:56:01 PM  

sprgrss: I've seen some pretty dicey "experts" get tendered and testify as experts over the years.  It's by and large due to attorneys/judges not knowing a damned thing about the subject area and "experts" being willing to say and do anything to benefit the side that is paying them and also attorneys not wanting to get into a battle of the experts either.  It's distracting so in some respects attorneys let "experts" testify despite how outlandish they are.

I don't know what the remedy is for this problem, but it's been a problem for a very long time.


Aggressive Voir Dire. Lawyers need to do extensive research about the evidence involved in their cases, it's malpractice not to
 
2019-06-24 9:02:26 PM  
That even the exalted Dr. Henry Lee could have committed a serious screw up in one of the cases he's worked, or even several of them I have no trouble believing.  Aside from ordinary human fallibility, when your career has been as long as Lee's there will be significant changes in the underlying science involved in the forensic tests he performed and those done by others that he reviewed and relied on for his expert testimony.  Explaining differing results or conclusions in such circumstances is entirely possible without involving fraud, incompetence or malicious intent on anyone's part.

But my initial impression is that TFA overstates its case.  For example-

But an investigation, launched decades later by the Connecticut Innocence Project's post-conviction unit, recently revealed there was in fact no human blood on Weinberg's knife. What's more, investigators discovered lab sheets that showed "it was definitively known" at the time of the trial that the substance "was not human blood," according to Weinberg's petition for a new trial. Lee had lab notes "in front of him" during the 1988 trial that clearly stated the substance on the knife was not human blood, according to McGraw.
, n

1. Whose lab notes are they referring to- Lee's, a state crime lab, one hired by the defense?  If they weren't Lee's notes or ones by someone working under his supervision it's possible that he could have dismissed the results for some objectively justifiable reason TFA doesn't mention.
2. Several field tests for blood like the benzidine color test and the Kastle-Meyer color test (Kastle-Meyer is often what we see in TV shows and crime movies where two liquid reagents are added to a swab that turns pink if it contains blood) rely on hemoglobin in blood acting like a perioxidase enzyme on organic compounds.  But there are other organic compounds that will produce a positive test result- like potatoes and horseradish.  So a positive result on those kinds of field tests later being shown to be a false positive doesn't require fraud or incompetence to explain.
3.  TFA doesn't mention the type of lab test(s) used to determine whether the blood was human or not, what the minimum sample size for a valid test using that methodology, whether there was any other testing that might have been consistent or inconsistent with the disputed test results that might explain Lee's testimony. If Lee didn't personally perform the test, it's possible that the lab notes also indicate something about how the test was conducted that might draw the results into question.

TFA's conclusion may be right, but the case it makes seems to be short on proof at times.
 
AgentKGB [TotalFark]  
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2019-06-24 9:02:53 PM  

sinko swimo: some people want to punish others so we have a law enforcement / legal system full of liars and generally horrible people. they can screw up on purpose or by mistake and there is no price they pay.


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2019-06-24 9:08:22 PM  

dittybopper: [i.ytimg.com image 480x360]

Here lies the career of Henry Lee
Died at the age of 103
For 30 long years he committed perjury.
That's about par for the forensic community.


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knbwhite  
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2019-06-24 9:09:10 PM  

darth_badger: Never take a cola based soda from him either.


I was just contemplating the other day when I drove past an In and Out Burger in LA.  What is it with these people?  Peeing on rugs, peeing in colas.  Where does it end?
 
2019-06-24 9:21:35 PM  

Wendigogo: Gyrfalcon: NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm

Also: "cremulator"??

Google it. It's a real thing.


Cremulator is perfectly cromulent?
 
2019-06-24 9:25:28 PM  

stan unusual: Wendigogo: Gyrfalcon: NotThatGuyAgain: bizzwire: CSB;

I attended a talk of his at a convention once.  A series of gruesome photographs with a rapid-fire monologue that was farking hysterical.  He recounted a case wherein a woman came to him with her mother's cremains, saying that "something just didn't seem right."

Dr. Lee told the audience that tooth enamel is the hardest part of the human body and will withstand cremation:

"So I counted the teeth.  I told her 'you have one-and-a-half people in that bag.'"

/CSB

That's a bit spurious considering remains are run through a cremulator (grinder) after they come out of the cremation chamber.

Once the body is completely burned, the chamber is then cooled and the cremated remains, which are often still recognizable as human skeletal remains, are swept with a long-handled hoe or wire-bristle broom into a tray. A powerful hand-held magnet is run through the ash to pick up metal parts left behind, such as fillings, plates and hip replacements, which can interfere with the grinding process. The metal parts are disposed with other biological material or recycled [source: Ellenberg]. The bones and remnants are put into a grinder, or cremulator, that uses ball bearings or rotating blades, like a blender. The remains are pulverized and poured into a plastic, lined container or an urn of the family's choice.

https://science.howstuffworks.com/cremation2.htm

Also: "cremulator"??

Google it. It's a real thing.

Cremulator is perfectly cromulent?



Dammit I need to remember to read to the end of the thread before posting.
 
2019-06-24 9:26:32 PM  

4seasons85!: It scares me how different medical examiner conclusions can be. The Rebecca Zahau case is a prime example. The young boy that died under her care was murdered when he was pushed against a banister, and yet another examiner said it was an accident when he fell. And one concluded she committed suicide by binding her arms and legs and jumping off her balcony, which seems absurd.  We rely on experts but who checks the experts?


I know someone who was peripherally involved in part of that case.
 
2019-06-24 9:35:21 PM  
From TFA's link to the Spector case

The white object has not been seen since the day that Lee supposedly recovered it from Spector's foyer, and therefore can not be entered as evidence.
Prosecutors have long claimed that the defense had recovered a fragment of Clarkson's fingernail at the crime scene, which they say could help prove that Spector shot her.


How exactly, would it do that?

The defense claims that Clarkson, 40-year-old star of such films as "Barbarian Queen" and "Amazon Women on the Moon," was holding the gun herself when it went off in her mouth.

I have the same question for the defense- neither side denied that the victim had been in Spector's foyer so the presence of a fingernail fragment or false fingernail possibly belonging to the victim there by itself doesn't prove anything about the shooting. . Again TFA is short on relevant facts
 
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