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hubiestubert [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 7:56:11 AM  
I guess it will come down to IF he was actually in international waters...and how much money his Bitcoin operations were hiding...
 
AdmirableSnackbar [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 8:08:49 AM  
"I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?
 
holdmybones  
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2019-04-20 8:10:58 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?


He could watch whatever porn he wanted. As much as he wanted. Isn't that what these guys really want?
 
moos [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 8:11:10 AM  
I'm free from others in a prison I built for myself.
 
theDesertHamster  
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2019-04-20 8:11:29 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?


One more free than a pentagon.
 
Dead for Tax Reasons  
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2019-04-20 8:48:32 AM  
this is a lighthouse
 
Dead for Tax Reasons  
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2019-04-20 8:50:44 AM  

holdmybones: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

He could watch whatever porn he wanted. As much as he wanted. Isn't that what these guys really want?



they didn't say how old his thai 'girlfriend' was
 
NewportBarGuy [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 8:52:15 AM  
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Raymond Perjurytrap [TotalFark]  
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2019-04-20 8:52:59 AM  
Hmmmmm, why not try setting up a homestead 14 nautical miles off the coast of the USA?  I'm sure you wouldn't be boarded.  At the least you would be considered a hazard to navigation.
 
ltdanman44 [BareFark]  
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2019-04-20 8:53:10 AM  
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CRtwenty  
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2019-04-20 8:54:55 AM  
Pretty sure the problem would have solved itself once Typhoon Season rolled around.
 
darth_badger  
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2019-04-20 8:55:14 AM  
"A Thai navy task force on Saturday inspected the floating home as it prepared to tow the structure back to Phuket."

They gonna fark his house!
 
UNC_Samurai  
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2019-04-20 8:55:40 AM  
I would have loved to see how that little floating cabin would have fared against a typhoon.
 
Oliver Twisted  
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2019-04-20 8:59:14 AM  
It seems like they would have learned from the story posted here Thursday.
 
thepeterd  
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2019-04-20 9:00:01 AM  
News like this is always worth repeating
 
MDI_BugMan  
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2019-04-20 9:00:30 AM  
Just wait it out and arrest him when he has to come to the mainland to restock on food.
 
robertus  
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2019-04-20 9:00:39 AM  
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potierrh [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:02:34 AM  
Thailand is claiming 200 NM.  Even if that weren't a factor, where were they getting supplies from?  Chances are they were bypassing customs and had made several trips to the mainland.

Even if they were clean and laws don't apply, neither does the protection of law.
 
Raymond Perjurytrap [TotalFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:02:45 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Hmmmmm, why not try setting up a homestead 14 nautical miles off the coast of the USA?  I'm sure you wouldn't be boarded.  At the least you would be considered a hazard to navigation.


Huh..I just looked it up and the U.S. has signed but not ratified the UN convention on the Law of the Sea.  Something something..Donald Rumsfeld worried about resources in space (!)..something.  So..bad example.
 
Man On A Mission [TotalFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:02:48 AM  

Oliver Twisted: It seems like they would have learned from the story posted here Thursday.


thepeterd: News like this is always worth repeating


You know how everyone can tell neither of you read the actual article?
 
randomjsa  
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2019-04-20 9:03:38 AM  
Somebody once talked about doing a case study of the game 'Rust', where it basically boiled down to if two people had guns, they kind of stayed away from each other, but if one had a gun and the other didn't it was 'murder them for their stuff' time.

I'm sure it has changed in the years since then but that's how it was for a while.
 
this looks interesting everything's ok  
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2019-04-20 9:03:41 AM  
Yah, 14nm isn't international waters, dipshiat. You could have read the one relevant international convention before you started talking about "legal loopholes."
I love how non-specific the article was with the Thai "partner" too.
 
this looks interesting everything's ok  
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2019-04-20 9:06:23 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Raymond Perjurytrap: Hmmmmm, why not try setting up a homestead 14 nautical miles off the coast of the USA?  I'm sure you wouldn't be boarded.  At the least you would be considered a hazard to navigation.

Huh..I just looked it up and the U.S. has signed but not ratified the UN convention on the Law of the Sea.  Something something..Donald Rumsfeld worried about resources in space (!)..something.  So..bad example.


The U.S. has observed the Convention as customary international law since the Reagan administration though. The navigation and overflight parts, at least.
 
Amish Tech Support  
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2019-04-20 9:07:10 AM  
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GORDON  
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2019-04-20 9:09:31 AM  
Whew, good.thing they got that guy floating out there.  I have strong opinions about that.
 
Great_Milenko  
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2019-04-20 9:09:31 AM  

theDesertHamster: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

One more free than a pentagon.


What about that smug prick in that octagon?
 
Great_Milenko  
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2019-04-20 9:11:20 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: holdmybones: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

He could watch whatever porn he wanted. As much as he wanted. Isn't that what these guys really want?


they didn't say how old his thai 'girlfriend' was


I googled her name and "she" looks  to be over 18 to me.
 
rnatalie [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:11:46 AM  

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Dead for Tax Reasons  
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2019-04-20 9:14:10 AM  

Great_Milenko: theDesertHamster: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

One more free than a pentagon.

What about that smug prick in that octagon?



My sides are many, my angles aren't few. I'm the Dodecahedron, and who are you?
 
Bearishlyphat  
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2019-04-20 9:16:44 AM  
Don't these idiots realize that in a lawless area the biggest gun wins? Sure there are no laws. Then the military comes along sticks a gun in your face and says obey our laws or die.
 
drxym  
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2019-04-20 9:19:01 AM  
These people are sovereign citizens elevating stupidity and paranoia to its purest form. I guess they genuinely are subject to maritime law, not that it seems to have done them much good.
 
HighlanderRPI  
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2019-04-20 9:19:50 AM  
Who lives in an octagon out in the sea?

DUMBBOB THAIPANTS!
 
Fano  
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2019-04-20 9:20:27 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?


Just another word for nothing left to lose
 
capacc  
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2019-04-20 9:22:36 AM  
I was in the Coast Guard and any vessel without a state flag was open game for boarding. These vessels usually didn't have a "Captain" either, since they were the one facing the stiffest penalty if drugs were found.

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WhackingDay  
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2019-04-20 9:25:59 AM  
I wonder how that thing works. At first it looked like it was on some kind of pillar. There's another picture that shows it's a big metal cylinder. Has to be something under it though to stabilize it.
 
The Lone Gunman  
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2019-04-20 9:26:37 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: this is a lighthouse


It is until a ship crashes into it, thus making it not much of a lighthouse.
 
The Lone Gunman  
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2019-04-20 9:27:35 AM  
Ugh...sovereign citizens are the worst...
 
Muzzleloader  
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2019-04-20 9:28:11 AM  

Raymond Perjurytrap: Hmmmmm, why not try setting up a homestead 14 nautical miles off the coast of the USA?  I'm sure you wouldn't be boarded.  At the least you would be considered a hazard to navigation.


International law by treaty states that any occupied man made object such as a boat or an oil rig has to be flagged by a soveriegn nation recognized by the U.N..

If not, legally you are considered a pirate and can be dealt with accordingly by any soveriegn nation.

Including the use of deadly force.
 
Riche  
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2019-04-20 9:33:25 AM  

AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?


Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose...
 
Mycroft_Holmes_IV  
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2019-04-20 9:35:44 AM  

Riche: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose...



One man's freedom is another man's prison cell?
 
Raymond Perjurytrap [TotalFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:38:52 AM  

Bearishlyphat: Don't these idiots realize that in a lawless area the biggest gun wins? Sure there are no laws. Then the military comes along sticks a gun in your face and says obey our laws or die.


Well, there is the Law of the Sea.  I think they are counting on that law which gives vessels free passage in international waters.  But

1) are they a vessel?  If not, are they considered flotsam?
2) if they are a vessel, they are still subject to boarding in international waters to determine a number of things including seaworthiness, whether they need help, whether they are pirates, or whether they are misrepresenting their nationality (if they were flying a Thai flag e.g.)
3) as the occupants weren't home (and apparently didn't respond to hails) their "vessel" could reasonably be considered abandoned and should be towed or sunk as a hazard to navigation.  Imagine if thousands of these started popping up in shipping lanes.
 
Harlee [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:41:57 AM  

moos: I'm free from others in a prison I built for myself.


That is the case for every single person ever alive. (With perhaps half a dozen paradigm-shaking, history-quaking exceptions.)
 
Winterlight [TotalFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:41:59 AM  

Muzzleloader: International law by treaty states that any occupied man made object such as a boat or an oil rig has to be flagged by a sovereign nation recognized by the U.N..


But does that flag have a fringe or not? These are important questions to idiots like these.

"I have all this legal paperwork I made up that says I can do whatever I want and, hey, why are you pointing that gun at me?"

/ farking morons
 
centrifugal bumblepuppy  
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2019-04-20 9:45:05 AM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: holdmybones: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

He could watch whatever porn he wanted. As much as he wanted. Isn't that what these guys really want?


they didn't say how old his thai 'girlfriend' was


THE FIRST SEASTEADERS 4: Living the Life
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some_beer_drinker  
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2019-04-20 9:48:05 AM  

CRtwenty: Pretty sure the problem would have solved itself once Typhoon Season rolled around.


most of it is underwater
 
casual disregard  
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2019-04-20 9:49:52 AM  
The seasteaders as they exist today are a bunch of sanctimonious bullshiat artists. Plus they're backed in part by Peter Thiel which should explain a lot. Plus every deep-web wannabe drug-and-rape fiend you could possibly find. The very first successful seasteader will be immediately raided and enslaved, killed, or worse by Somalian pirates.

On the other hand we are apparently using Waterworld, one of the worst Kevin Bacon films of all time, as a manual with our casual disregard of the environment. Bye-bye ice, bye-bye land. All of our descendants will be seasteaders someday.
 
theDesertHamster  
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2019-04-20 9:51:15 AM  

Great_Milenko: theDesertHamster: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

One more free than a pentagon.

What about that smug prick in that octagon?


Well, as he's not been captured by the Thai Navy then the 'two more free' obviously works.
 
RolandTGunner [TotalFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:51:22 AM  

Great_Milenko: theDesertHamster: AdmirableSnackbar: "I was free for a moment. Probably the freest person in the world," Elwartowski posted

Dude you were living in a tiny hexagon floating on the ocean. What the fark kind of freedom is that?

One more free than a pentagon.

What about that smug prick in that octagon?


Can kill you with the wink of an eye.
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mrmopar5287  
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2019-04-20 9:52:07 AM  
Your problem is you spent your whole life thinking there are rules. There aren't. We used to be gorillas. All we had is what we could take and defend.
 
Harlee [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-04-20 9:55:04 AM  

potierrh: Thailand is claiming 200 NM.  Even if that weren't a factor, where were they getting supplies from?  Chances are they were bypassing customs and had made several trips to the mainland.

Even if they were clean and laws don't apply, neither does the protection of law.


There's an interesting little troika of questions that I occasionally ask. I rarely have to elaborate on them since people often go to great lengths to avoid answering, or even thinking about them. It is almost like a tribal religious taboo where even "thinking the Name" is punishable by agonizing extended death.

1) What is the correct and complete working definition of "government"?

2) What is the correct and complete working definition of "the State"?

3) What does an entity have to do to qualify as one and/or the other of those?

Perhaps those "fnord" theorists were onto something....
 
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