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(USA Today)   Not content to just persecute homosexuals, the Boy Scouts of America have decided that a Down Syndrome child has had it far too good for far too long   (usatoday.com) divider line
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2018-03-21 4:36:47 AM  
Boy Scouts should be celebrating homosexuality, they were founded by (allegedly) a repressed closeted gay man.
 
enry [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-21 4:55:34 AM  
This seems to conflict with another article on the same situation.  It's likely one of the reporters got it wrong but it just raises more questions.
 
Delawhat  
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2018-03-21 5:21:04 AM  
Apparently the Boy Scouts leadership never completed their Good PR merit badge.
 
2018-03-21 6:14:30 AM  
Do you really want to diminish the rank of Eagle Scout?  When someone introduces himself to you and mentions that he is an Eagle Scout, you expect things:  Good at tying knots, rubbing two sticks together to make fire, horrible social anxiety, especially around the opposite sex.  If they just let ANYONE slide through, Chick-Fil-a is going to stop hiring them at all...
 
2018-03-21 6:21:03 AM  
It is important that the BSA has standards.  If they don't, who knows how many people will be killed by improperly tied sheepshank knots?
 
bigpeeler  
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2018-03-21 6:29:42 AM  
"Persecute". LOL.
 
2018-03-21 6:42:28 AM  

PainInTheASP: It is important that the BSA has standards.  If they don't, who knows how many people will be killed by improperly tied sheepshank knots?


To be fair, knowing how to tie knots can potentially save your life if you get lost in the woods/mountains. Tying a bad one could reduce the possibility of walking out.

/ if one is lost in the mountains and if nobody knows to look for you; find a big stream and follow it downstream. You'll get to a town eventually (probably)
 
grokca [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-21 7:08:33 AM  
Join the Sunflower Girls.

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/ don't GIS Sunflower Girls at work.
 
2018-03-21 7:13:32 AM  

TappingTheVein: Boy Scouts should be celebrating homosexuality, they were founded by (allegedly) a repressed closeted gay man.


Couldn't resist.

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2018-03-21 7:14:36 AM  
So it sounds like they had to complete form A785F/J25-B in triplicate to request modified merit badge requirements, but instead they just informally did it at the district level.
 
steklo [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-21 7:15:59 AM  
I was in the Boy Scouts when I was in elementary school. Was only in long enough to learn how to tie a neck-tie. For that, it was worth it. Oh and the knife. The knife at a young age, was cool to have.
 
duke3522  
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2018-03-21 7:18:31 AM  

IDisposable: So it sounds like they had to complete form A785F/J25-B in triplicate to request modified merit badge requirements, but instead they just informally did it at the district level.


But they forgot to strike out 'machine gun', and write in 'merit badges'.
 
AxL sANe [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-21 7:18:47 AM  
Eagle scout here.

When I was in scouts, we had a member who was mentally challenged, and it carried over somewhat into his physical abilities.  He attended special classes at our school (went to a different school otherwise for challenged people), and could possibly have become someone who could hold a job and function on his own, but I would guess just barely.

And he worked his ass off in scouts.  It was actually a good life lesson for all us kids to have to work with him.  Many merit badges were modified to accommodate his limitations, but he hated that fact.  He would spend a lot of time at the campsite setting up his tent, failing, becoming frustrated, and finally succeeding, but refusing help from anyone.  He would struggle with his pack through hikes, but insisted on carrying all his own gear.  The older scouts always rallied around him but he insisted on not being treated in any special way.  New scouts would sometimes try to make fun of him, but that was quickly shot down by the veterans.  Over time he became inspiring to everyone that spent time with him because it made them appreciate their own lives and how much more easy things were compared to his struggles.

He actually earned Eagle Scout.  But I went off to college and I am a little sad that I never followed up to see how he turned out.  Weird to say, but he has remained one of the most inspirational people in my life.  Hope this kid gets to achieve his dream.

I know, CSB
 
2018-03-21 7:20:07 AM  
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jjorsett  
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2018-03-21 7:21:47 AM  
The award either means something or it doesn't. If ineffective effort was all that was necessary, I'd have been awarded the Nobel, a Superbowl ring, and Heidi Klum's hand in marriage.
 
2018-03-21 7:25:39 AM  
All I got from my time in Scouts was my Gambling merit badge...
 
2018-03-21 7:30:16 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Do you really want to diminish the rank of Eagle Scout?  When someone introduces himself to you and mentions that he is an Eagle Scout, you expect things:  Good at tying knots, rubbing two sticks together to make fire, horrible social anxiety, especially around the opposite sex.  If they just let ANYONE slide through, Chick-Fil-a is going to stop hiring them at all...


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2018-03-21 7:30:22 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Do you really want to diminish the rank of Eagle Scout?  When someone introduces himself to you and mentions that he is an Eagle Scout, you expect things:  Good at tying knots, rubbing two sticks together to make fire, horrible social anxiety, especially around the opposite sex.  If they just let ANYONE slide through, Chick-Fil-a is going to stop hiring them at all...


My brother in law is an Eagle Scout and I've never even seen him tie his shoes. He golfs and eats and.....I'm sure there's something else in there.
 
Gollie  
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2018-03-21 7:39:05 AM  
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2018-03-21 7:44:04 AM  

enry: This seems to conflict with another article on the same situation.  It's likely one of the reporters got it wrong but it just raises more questions.


Yeah. Reading that article it looks like a lot of requirements were skipped using the logic "he can't do these things. The council wanted them to find alternatives he could accomplish.

I'm sure there is more to the story than either article presents, but I find it weird that anyone would be able to earn Eagle by age 15. My son's troop has a good advancement program in place, and getting ready for Eagle by 16 is still a hard accomplishment.
 
2018-03-21 7:45:12 AM  
No one is going to claim this story was only posted because it's a slow news day?
 
OldJames  
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2018-03-21 7:46:24 AM  

enry: This seems to conflict with another article on the same situation.  It's likely one of the reporters got it wrong but it just raises more questions.


Like a cigar underwater
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FirstDennis  
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2018-03-21 7:51:07 AM  
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What this situation is about:
If a scout can't earn a merit badge because of physical or mental limitations, he and his family and his scout leaders ask their district executives to agree on modifications to the badge's requirements.

What happened in this case is the scout and his family thought it was all settled and he had earned certain badges, but the district executives disagreed.

Poor and slow communication by a scout's district office is not unusual.

What this situation is not about:
BSA has never tried to prevent scouts with any disability from participating in any part of Scouting. The organization will do whatever it can to help scouts advance and earn ranks.
https://scoutingmagazine.org/2018/02/help-special-needs-advancement/

Hundreds of Eagle Scouts with any handicap you can think of are proof of this. The troop I am a leader in is very proud of our Eagle Scout with Down syndrome.
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RJReves  
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2018-03-21 7:52:46 AM  

AxL sANe: Eagle scout here.

When I was in scouts, we had a member who was mentally challenged, and it carried over somewhat into his physical abilities.  He attended special classes at our school (went to a different school otherwise for challenged people), and could possibly have become someone who could hold a job and function on his own, but I would guess just barely.

And he worked his ass off in scouts.  It was actually a good life lesson for all us kids to have to work with him.  Many merit badges were modified to accommodate his limitations, but he hated that fact.  He would spend a lot of time at the campsite setting up his tent, failing, becoming frustrated, and finally succeeding, but refusing help from anyone.  He would struggle with his pack through hikes, but insisted on carrying all his own gear.  The older scouts always rallied around him but he insisted on not being treated in any special way.  New scouts would sometimes try to make fun of him, but that was quickly shot down by the veterans.  Over time he became inspiring to everyone that spent time with him because it made them appreciate their own lives and how much more easy things were compared to his struggles.

He actually earned Eagle Scout.  But I went off to college and I am a little sad that I never followed up to see how he turned out.  Weird to say, but he has remained one of the most inspirational people in my life.  Hope this kid gets to achieve his dream.

I know, CSB


Excellent story.
 
2018-03-21 7:53:27 AM  
That's totally messed up. I'm not down with this.
 
RJReves  
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2018-03-21 7:56:08 AM  

holdmybones: bigfatbuddhist: Do you really want to diminish the rank of Eagle Scout?  When someone introduces himself to you and mentions that he is an Eagle Scout, you expect things:  Good at tying knots, rubbing two sticks together to make fire, horrible social anxiety, especially around the opposite sex.  If they just let ANYONE slide through, Chick-Fil-a is going to stop hiring them at all...

My brother in law is an Eagle Scout and I've never even seen him tie his shoes. He golfs and eats and.....I'm sure there's something else in there.


Drinks and farts?
 
2018-03-21 7:57:45 AM  

668NeighborOfTheBeast: That's totally messed up. I'm not down with this.


trig-gered?
 
2018-03-21 7:58:16 AM  

AxL sANe: Eagle scout here.

When I was in scouts, we had a member who was mentally challenged, and it carried over somewhat into his physical abilities.  He attended special classes at our school (went to a different school otherwise for challenged people), and could possibly have become someone who could hold a job and function on his own, but I would guess just barely.

And he worked his ass off in scouts.  It was actually a good life lesson for all us kids to have to work with him.  Many merit badges were modified to accommodate his limitations, but he hated that fact.  He would spend a lot of time at the campsite setting up his tent, failing, becoming frustrated, and finally succeeding, but refusing help from anyone.  He would struggle with his pack through hikes, but insisted on carrying all his own gear.  The older scouts always rallied around him but he insisted on not being treated in any special way.  New scouts would sometimes try to make fun of him, but that was quickly shot down by the veterans.  Over time he became inspiring to everyone that spent time with him because it made them appreciate their own lives and how much more easy things were compared to his struggles.

He actually earned Eagle Scout.  But I went off to college and I am a little sad that I never followed up to see how he turned out.  Weird to say, but he has remained one of the most inspirational people in my life.  Hope this kid gets to achieve his dream.

I know, CSB


Just about the same situation when I was in scouts. The fellow in ours didn't really have any physical problems except he just moved a little slower than everyone else. Which actually turned out ok as everything stopped being a 'hurry up and get your shiat done & let's go' to 'just go the same speed and everyone get done together'
 
doubled99  
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2018-03-21 7:59:01 AM  
Why not have a high school football team let him score a touchdown while they all pretend to try and tackle him.
That usually works.
 
2018-03-21 8:08:25 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: Good at tying knots


My boyfriend was a scout.

And he's very good at tying knots. 

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2018-03-21 8:14:11 AM  

hardinparamedic: bigfatbuddhist: Good at tying knots

My boyfriend was a scout.

And he's very good at tying knots. 

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Wouldn't a merchant marine have been just as effective?
 
OOF  
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2018-03-21 8:17:46 AM  

steklo: I was in the Boy Scouts when I was in elementary school. Was only in long enough to learn how to tie a neck-tie. For that, it was worth it. Oh and the knife. The knife at a young age, was cool to have.


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2018-03-21 8:24:52 AM  
As a former leader who has worked with challenged scouts, it sounds like the Council folks (who signed off on the merit badge modifications), didn't communicate with the National Office. There are forms are filed, mostly for insurance purposes, to keep track of these. So, when National caught wind of this scout when his Project proposal was sent up, everything went down. I have seen situations similar, but on a smaller scale to this one and it is hard recover from it.
 
chawco  
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2018-03-21 8:29:11 AM  
 
2018-03-21 8:32:24 AM  

bigfatbuddhist: hardinparamedic: bigfatbuddhist: Good at tying knots

My boyfriend was a scout.

And he's very good at tying knots. 

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Wouldn't a merchant marine have been just as effective?


They typically don't date women.
 
2018-03-21 8:34:35 AM  

hardinparamedic: bigfatbuddhist: hardinparamedic: bigfatbuddhist: Good at tying knots

My boyfriend was a scout.

And he's very good at tying knots. 

[i.imgur.com image 480x733]

Wouldn't a merchant marine have been just as effective?

They typically don't date women.


Well played!
 
wildlifer  
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2018-03-21 8:59:36 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: enry: This seems to conflict with another article on the same situation.  It's likely one of the reporters got it wrong but it just raises more questions.

Yeah. Reading that article it looks like a lot of requirements were skipped using the logic "he can't do these things. The council wanted them to find alternatives he could accomplish.

I'm sure there is more to the story than either article presents, but I find it weird that anyone would be able to earn Eagle by age 15. My son's troop has a good advancement program in place, and getting ready for Eagle by 16 is still a hard accomplishment.


On of my boys just turned 13, and earned life scout. The rank below Eagle. It's certainly possible to acheive Eagle before your 15, you just have to properly motivated.
 
2018-03-21 9:00:18 AM  
He was so close. All he lacked was the Participation merit badge.

Seriously though, becoming an Eagle scout is a very big accomplishment , not just in the organization but in the community. It's not just collecting the 21 merit badges, an accomplishment in itself.  It requires proven leadership, community service, a dissertation about the ideals and benefits of Scouting, and a detailed review board in which you define your dedication  to community, and your life goals and purpose.

This young man was given an accommodation which is allowed by the Boy Scout charter, but to say he is an Eagle Scout at the age of 15, with a "mental state ... the equivalent of a 4 year old" (his dad said that) is specious and demeaning.
 
2018-03-21 9:01:23 AM  
I did everything but the 'lead a community project' requirement for Eagle.  But if we're being honest that's the only really hard one.
 
2018-03-21 9:04:28 AM  
When I was in Boy Scouts (in the 1990s) participation was open to all, including mentally or physically disabled. For merit badges and rank awards, the requirements were allowed to be modified as necessary. For example, a physical fitness award that requires pushups could be modified to allow some other sort of demonstrating physical fitness for a person with only one arm.

Somethings screwy is going on with this local council who is making decisions that aren't in line with what the national organization encourages.
 
Petite Mel  
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2018-03-21 9:25:12 AM  

Copperbelly watersnake: I'm sure there is more to the story than either article presents, but I find it weird that anyone would be able to earn Eagle by age 15. My son's troop has a good advancement program in place, and getting ready for Eagle by 16 is still a hard accomplishment.


Exactly. Boys have to earn eagle by their 18th birthday. Special needs kids can get that extended indefinitely. Any boy, special needs or not, on path for Eagle at age 14 is going to get some scrutiny. Too many parents doing to much work for the kid (got to get that Eagle on the resume).

My guess is they (being parents, the troop or regional council) weren't being rigorous enough in getting accommodations approved. As somebody said (in a joke post), do we really want to diminish the rank of Eagle Scout?

Maybe this is the badge he earned:
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2018-03-21 9:29:48 AM  

PainInTheASP: It is important that the BSA has standards.  If they don't, who knows how many people will be killed by improperly tied sheepshank knots?


Eagle Scout here. You're safe with me.
 
EmptyCup  
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2018-03-21 9:43:14 AM  
Put my boys in scouts. As we are not religious my boys couldn't continue. Scouts said the needed religion to have morality.

So, not only did thet tell my boys they are no good but now my kids can't participate with their friends.

Fark the bsa.
 
2018-03-21 9:46:13 AM  

AxL sANe: I know, CSB


It was.
 
2018-03-21 9:53:23 AM  
Down's Syndrome?  I bet subby says Daylight Savings Time too.  And probably drownded.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-21 10:09:04 AM  
It's good to know that all of Trump's failed PR people can always fall back on working for the boy scouts.
 
2018-03-21 10:15:42 AM  
My brother was a disabled Eagle Scout. He had some accommodations, mostly time (he earned Eagle at 19) but he busted his ass for it. More so than the physically gifted honors student. It is and will probably always be the highlight of his life and the one normal thing of which he can be proud. That Scouts gave him that, treated him as a normal kid and let him be elite at something, keeps me from completely hating them.
 
2018-03-21 10:15:59 AM  
What appears to have happened was the troop failed to file for modified requirements to suit this young man's disability with the national council, then forged ahead anyway.  The kid's troop farked up badly, not the Scouts.  If you want to sue someone, sue the troop committee.
 
2018-03-21 10:18:27 AM  
I hate seeing the scouts bad mouthed on here.  My eight year old is in cub scouts, and I think it has been great for him to get outside and learn some things about the world around him.  Also, compared to the sports related activities, it is a very cheap option to get him to do things outside of school with other kids his age.

I honestly can't imagine the local leaders not allowing a handicapped person to join.
 
2018-03-21 10:23:12 AM  
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