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2021-05-10 4:45:53 PM  
This is not Luddite-speak, but FARK YEAH. There are mission-critical or environmental systems that need chips, but most of the rest is expendable niceties (that are also the source of the majority of complaints according to JD Power surveys)...and they aren't even that nice. FTA:

For a long time, I've wondered why automakers so doggedly pursue using their own infotainment systems in vehicle head units. It's a silly pursuit since cars stay on the road for well over a decade, making technology which is cutting-edge when it's first developed incredibly dated in short order. A better solution would be to project a person's smartphone onto the touchscreen, kind of like what Apple CarPlay and Android Auto do, only better. Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.
 
2021-05-10 4:51:39 PM  
This is why we can't have nice things.
 
2021-05-10 4:54:16 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: This is not Luddite-speak, but FARK YEAH. There are mission-critical or environmental systems that need chips, but most of the rest is expendable niceties (that are also the source of the majority of complaints according to JD Power surveys)...and they aren't even that nice. FTA:

For a long time, I've wondered why automakers so doggedly pursue using their own infotainment systems in vehicle head units. It's a silly pursuit since cars stay on the road for well over a decade, making technology which is cutting-edge when it's first developed incredibly dated in short order. A better solution would be to project a person's smartphone onto the touchscreen, kind of like what Apple CarPlay and Android Auto do, only better. Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.


That is where Android Automotive, Linux Automotive Platform, and QNX are coming in. And whatever Apple is doing. The problem they still run into is that they design these system 5-10 years in advance, so the cutting edge unit is powered by an Atom chip.
 
optikeye [TotalFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:05:29 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: This is not Luddite-speak, but FARK YEAH. There are mission-critical or environmental systems that need chips, but most of the rest is expendable niceties (that are also the source of the majority of complaints according to JD Power surveys)...and they aren't even that nice. FTA:

For a long time, I've wondered why automakers so doggedly pursue using their own infotainment systems in vehicle head units. It's a silly pursuit since cars stay on the road for well over a decade, making technology which is cutting-edge when it's first developed incredibly dated in short order. A better solution would be to project a person's smartphone onto the touchscreen, kind of like what Apple CarPlay and Android Auto do, only better. Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.


Waaaay back in the 90's. The SO and I rented a 'test car' from AAA for a visit to Orlando.
It had a primitive GPS system. At the time GPS was just opened up for consumer use by Al Gore. Before the Gore's initiative it was only for GOVERNMENT use...much like the Internet was before AL GORE, opened it up for commercial use. So, yes, Al Gore also took the initiative to create "GPS" as we know and use it in daily use.

However for a year or so, (the time we rented the car with fancy GSP) it would be crippled for location only with in a couple of hundred yards. So AAA and others had some work around to locate the position. These where 'wheel count' and using the compass for turns to narrow down the location to a few yards.

But the biggest thing I got a giggle out of...was the computer. While the car had a small touch screen in the dash...in the Trunk attached to 'can' style sat antenna was full sized 386 computer.
When you started the car the screen had a DOS prompt until it booted into the AAA software.

Beyond 2000 1993 full episode part 2 of 3
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BenSaw2 [TotalFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:13:50 PM  
They laughed at me while I kept my Led Zeppelin IV 8-track in climate controlled storage all these years decades.

Well, WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!!!
 
PaulRB [TotalFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:24:35 PM  
Sorry, we're out of microchips, it's back to analog.

See what happens when Bill Gates gets divorced!
 
2021-05-10 5:29:29 PM  
Man, the millennials are going to love crank windows and radios with 4 AM presets.
 
Jeebus Saves  
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2021-05-10 5:29:41 PM  
Does that mean everyone is going to have to turn a key to start their car now?  The horror!
 
bluewave69  
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2021-05-10 5:30:48 PM  
lol maybe we going to have another run of the 80's things getting more crappy every year till the end of the decade but cool movies.
 
steklo [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:32:28 PM  
I remember back in the early 2000's when I was ordering my MINI Cooper, they wanted a bazillion dollars to include a jack/cable to hook up my Apply Ipod to the car's radio system.
 
2021-05-10 5:32:29 PM  
Honk-honk, rattle-rattle, crash, beep-beep.
 
2021-05-10 5:33:04 PM  

NikolaiFarkoff: Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.


This.

iPad mount and iPad with a cellular connection is all you need, its already the size of most dashboard infotainment systems anyway. Aux cable and power.  Done.
 
UltimaCS  
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2021-05-10 5:33:14 PM  
Aren't they preloading cars with tons of bells & whistles, but leaving them disabled for anyone who doesn't pay for it? And not just BMW with their heated seat monthly subscription.
 
2021-05-10 5:33:28 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Honk-honk, rattle-rattle, crash, beep-beep.


Call the Car-X man?
 
covfefe [TotalFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:33:37 PM  
How about no radio to get stolen at all and I'll use a Bluetooth speaker.
 
groppet  
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2021-05-10 5:33:53 PM  
That is fine, the one thing I hate about a lot of cars is the damn features when they break never seem to work right when they get "fixed". Just more of a reason to jack up the price.
 
Heamer [BareFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:34:13 PM  
I don't even have a car, but touchscreens on the dash need to go, like yesterday. The whole point of nobs and buttons is to be able to feel them without looking directly at them. Nobody needs a f*cking IMAX screen right next to the goddamn steering wheel.

/looking at you, Tesla
 
Mercury  
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2021-05-10 5:35:29 PM  
As long as the cars get 40 rods to the Hogshead, I'll be happy

/put it in 'H"
 
lolmao500  
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2021-05-10 5:35:50 PM  
Or you know, kill cryptos so vlad, kim jong un and terrorist/mafia groups cant launder money like its a goddamn hobby.
 
2021-05-10 5:35:50 PM  
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2021-05-10 5:36:07 PM  
My favorite automobile -- EVAH -- was a 79 Corolla. Were there any microchips in it?
 
Malenfant  
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2021-05-10 5:36:44 PM  

Grand_Theft_Audio: NikolaiFarkoff: Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.

This.

iPad mount and iPad with a cellular connection is all you need, its already the size of most dashboard infotainment systems anyway. Aux cable and power.  Done.


I think this can be done without overpriced Apple products.
 
2021-05-10 5:36:54 PM  
Cars having too much extra crap is why I'm pondering the purchase of a Mitsubishi Mirage. It's a cheapo car that is made with fewer bells and whistles to keep the cost down. The problem is that the engine sucks.
 
HeartBurnKid  
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2021-05-10 5:39:03 PM  

GardenWeasel: NikolaiFarkoff: This is not Luddite-speak, but FARK YEAH. There are mission-critical or environmental systems that need chips, but most of the rest is expendable niceties (that are also the source of the majority of complaints according to JD Power surveys)...and they aren't even that nice. FTA:

For a long time, I've wondered why automakers so doggedly pursue using their own infotainment systems in vehicle head units. It's a silly pursuit since cars stay on the road for well over a decade, making technology which is cutting-edge when it's first developed incredibly dated in short order. A better solution would be to project a person's smartphone onto the touchscreen, kind of like what Apple CarPlay and Android Auto do, only better. Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.

That is where Android Automotive, Linux Automotive Platform, and QNX are coming in. And whatever Apple is doing. The problem they still run into is that they design these system 5-10 years in advance, so the cutting edge unit is powered by an Atom chip.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again - we are way overdue for something like the Raspberry Pi Compute Module to become standard.  Imagine if you can upgrade your TV/car/whatever's "smarts" just by swapping out a module once it becomes obsolete or begins to have performance issues.
 
stevenvictx  
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2021-05-10 5:40:02 PM  
Uh oh
Tesla owners will have to learn how to drive again.
 
2021-05-10 5:40:52 PM  
I love my car's USB port. It has everything I need. I just wish it wasn't in the glove compartment.

So, in summary, please move these in time for me to replace my 10 year old car in another 10 years.

Thank you.
 
fatkang  
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2021-05-10 5:41:17 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Man, the millennials are going to love crank windows and radios with 4 AM presets.


My 2020 Jeep Gladiator has crank windows and the radio can only do 5 presets. Make of that what you will.
 
baorao  
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2021-05-10 5:46:08 PM  
how they sell the idea:
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what they bring to market:
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at today's prices!!
 
Barnhawk72  
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2021-05-10 5:46:58 PM  

BenSaw2: They laughed at me while I kept my Led Zeppelin IV 8-track in climate controlled storage all these years decades.

Well, WHO'S LAUGHING NOW!!!


I'M LAUGHING.  Physical Graffiti is a way better album than IV!!
 
2021-05-10 5:47:48 PM  

special20: ImpendingCynic: Man, the millennials are going to love crank windows and radios with 4 AM presets.

Hell, revert everything back to 6 volt, and tubes. (valves, for the Brits).


Let's not do 6 volt. We'll have the thieves ripping out wiring harnesses with all the extra copper in there.
 
2021-05-10 5:48:11 PM  

Heamer: I don't even have a car, but touchscreens on the dash need to go, like yesterday. The whole point of nobs and buttons is to be able to feel them without looking directly at them. Nobody needs a f*cking IMAX screen right next to the goddamn steering wheel.

/looking at you, Tesla


Yep.  I know how buttons feel, I can count with my fingers and hear with my ears, and there are also buttons in the steering wheel, so I don't even need to look at the radio while driving.  Just reach and feel, and thumb pushes on the wheel while at 10 and 2.  They put too much crap in non-economy cars.  I'll keep my Nissan Versa, thank you very much.
 
kb7rky  
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2021-05-10 5:48:20 PM  
Well, lessee...are there any nmechanics now that can work on older-style cars?

No?

Guess what...they're gonna farking learn now, aren't they?

Get rid of the damned idiot lights, and put back the REAL instruments that told you what was wrong with your car when the SHTF, instead of these damned ridiculous P codes that have multiple meanings across several car brands.
 
Pigeonhole  
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2021-05-10 5:48:28 PM  

Heamer: ... touchscreens on the dash need to go, like yesterday. The whole point of nobs and buttons is to be able to feel them without looking directly at them. Nobody needs a f*cking IMAX screen right next to the goddamn steering wheel.


Absolutely. A console-mounted touch screen is a giant visual distraction, which people don't need when they need to be keeping their eyes on the road. For the one car I rented with a touch screen radio, the console was off the entire time.
 
Driedsponge [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:49:25 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Man, the millennials are going to love crank windows and radios with 4 AM presets.


As a millennial, I grew up learning to drive on cars with crank windows and listened to am radio constantly for various sporting events.

Please find a new shtick.
 
2021-05-10 5:49:58 PM  

optikeye: However for a year or so, (the time we rented the car with fancy GSP) it would be crippled for location only with in a couple of hundred yards.


It was called "selective availability" in GPS: https://www.gps.gov/systems/gps/modernization/sa/

Civilian use of GPS could not move forward until that was disabled. Location and mapping systems were useless until that was disabled.
 
Starblazer  
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2021-05-10 5:49:59 PM  

fatkang: My 2020 Jeep Gladiator has crank windows and the radio can only do 5 presets. Make of that what you will.


Well, that's what you get for buying a Fiat.
 
fonebone77  
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2021-05-10 5:50:30 PM  
As long as bitcoin miners can get their money that is all that matter.  Supporting drug and human trafficking cartels is way more important than people having cars or video game consoles surely.
 
2021-05-10 5:50:52 PM  

UltimaCS: Aren't they preloading cars with tons of bells & whistles, but leaving them disabled for anyone who doesn't pay for it?


Sort of. A lot of times, a base model car will still be wired for options, but the actual "unit" that makes the option work isn't there.
 
2021-05-10 5:51:07 PM  
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2021-05-10 5:52:34 PM  

DuneClimber: Cars having too much extra crap is why I'm pondering the purchase of a Mitsubishi Mirage. It's a cheapo car that is made with fewer bells and whistles to keep the cost down. The problem is that the engine sucks.


You'd think Mitsubishi could offer at least a 4-cylinder. There is probably zero cost savings with the 3-cylinder and the drivability and usefulness of a 4-cylinder would be of great benefit to customers.
 
2021-05-10 5:56:41 PM  
DEAR GOD YES PLEASE.

I might actually buy a new car if it's analog. I'd be able to fix it.
 
oldfarthenry  
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2021-05-10 5:57:11 PM  
I remember the mind-blowing experience of getting a car with cupholders - and NOT having a check engine light that came on when the gas cap wasn't screwed on correctly.
Yeah, my login checks out!
 
Boo_Guy  
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2021-05-10 5:57:12 PM  

Magnanimous_J: UltimaCS: Aren't they preloading cars with tons of bells & whistles, but leaving them disabled for anyone who doesn't pay for it?

Sort of. A lot of times, a base model car will still be wired for options, but the actual "unit" that makes the option work isn't there.


They're getting worse though. BMW and Tesla will have everything in the car for an option to work but if you try to use it a message pops up offering to let the person buy that feature.

Tesla has also caught crap for disabling features that the original owner had purchased and asking the car's new owner to buy them again.
 
2021-05-10 5:57:22 PM  

HeartBurnKid: GardenWeasel: NikolaiFarkoff: This is not Luddite-speak, but FARK YEAH. There are mission-critical or environmental systems that need chips, but most of the rest is expendable niceties (that are also the source of the majority of complaints according to JD Power surveys)...and they aren't even that nice. FTA:

For a long time, I've wondered why automakers so doggedly pursue using their own infotainment systems in vehicle head units. It's a silly pursuit since cars stay on the road for well over a decade, making technology which is cutting-edge when it's first developed incredibly dated in short order. A better solution would be to project a person's smartphone onto the touchscreen, kind of like what Apple CarPlay and Android Auto do, only better. Most people put their phone in a holder and use it for navigation, music, etc. because it has cutting-edge tech, the apps they're familiar with, and it works far better than some aging infotainment system.

That is where Android Automotive, Linux Automotive Platform, and QNX are coming in. And whatever Apple is doing. The problem they still run into is that they design these system 5-10 years in advance, so the cutting edge unit is powered by an Atom chip.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again - we are way overdue for something like the Raspberry Pi Compute Module to become standard.  Imagine if you can upgrade your TV/car/whatever's "smarts" just by swapping out a module once it becomes obsolete or begins to have performance issues.


Amen
 
indy_kid [recently expired TotalFark]  
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2021-05-10 5:57:58 PM  
Design all the bells and whistles to be modular plug-and-play. Don't want it? Don't get it. The slot is still there should you change your mind.

I don't want a car that tried to connect with every IoT device it passes.
 
Weird Hal  
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2021-05-10 5:59:08 PM  
To hope that the growing vulnerability of a world increasingly integrated by technology will not demand a total despotism is mere foolishness.

~
Nicolás Gómez Dávila
 
kosherkow  
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2021-05-10 6:00:04 PM  

ImpendingCynic: Man, the millennials are going to love crank windows and radios with 4 AM presets.



millennial here...

i LOVE my 2000 tacoma - the only things power are brakes and steering and that's it.  crank windows, manual, couple of climate controls (h/c + fan speed) and bare bones otherwise.

it has been the best vehicle and it keeps me so much more engaged to the road, and it was also sought out after the previous vehicle had automatic windows that would get stuck down.

/crank it!
 
2021-05-10 6:01:06 PM  
If they want to build the cars now, I don't see how they have much of a choice. Speaking as an auto industry veteran, I also don't see what's so great about having a touch screen radio anyway. Depending on the screen, some of them aren't that responsive. You just end up with fingerprints on your dash that look terrible, and in some cases the screens are defective right from the factory. At the last dealership I worked at, I received many complaints about brand new cars that had just been delivered to the customer that had defective screens that apparently looked like someone had punched through them and made a dark mark that screwed up the whole thing. I don't know if it had to do with the LCD screens not being able to "deal with" the colder temperatures (the complaints pretty much began in December/January). But it makes the company look bad when they put defective parts in a vehicle, and when it's that glaringly obvious it's just embarrassing. I'm a big believer that if it's new it should just work, so I understood when those people were upset. But I also believe that cars have gotten away from what a car actually is. It's for transportation, first and foremost, and all this infotainment crap that they've been shoving down our throats for the last decade or so is just one more distraction you don't need when you're driving. People drive shiatty enough as it is. A distraction and one more excuse for something to break.

/A simpler car is better
 
arkansized [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-10 6:04:51 PM  
I hate the "bells and whistles" on the Highlander I bought.
Loved my '68 Barracuda with stick shift and an AM radio.

The good ol' days.
 
Boo_Guy  
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2021-05-10 6:05:30 PM  

indy_kid: Design all the bells and whistles to be modular plug-and-play. Don't want it? Don't get it. The slot is still there should you change your mind.

I don't want a car that tried to connect with every IoT device it passes.


They've been doing that for awhile. The wiring will usually be there but the hardware on the ends isn't installed.

Do-it-yourselfers upgrade cars by buying the missing bits and plugging them in.

These days though some manufacturers are throwing everything into the car and if you try to use it the car asks you to buy it instead.

If this shortage kills that trend it'd be nice.
 
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