Social the 'gang of seven': the so-called Labour split

coffey, Angela Smith, Chris Leslie, mike gaped, Luciana Berger, Gavin shuker, and umunna, citing Jeremy corbyn's handling of brexit and anti-Semitism, have coordinated their resignations today.

sherdogs take?

i personality find a lot of their statements strained, quite possibly contrived, all for the sake of moving further right. Jeremy hasn't been the best leader, but the ppl voted...

They should all be put in stocks and fisted in the middle of Trafalgar Square. Or maybe that's just a bit excessive...

Teppodama said:

They should all be put in stocks and fisted in the middle of Trafalgar Square. Or maybe that's just a bit excessive...

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Typical bleeding-heart liberal advocating compassionate sentencing.

Ornife said:

Typical bleeding-heart liberal advocating compassionate sentencing.

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Far from Liberal and would have to have a heart for it to bleed.

Sous-la-pluie said:

coffey, Angela Smith, Chris Leslie, mike gaped, Luciana Berger, Gavin shuker, and umunna, citing Jeremy corbyn's handling of brexit and anti-Semitism, have coordinated their resignations today.

sherdogs take?

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It seems like everyone who advocates for Palestinian rights or questions Israeli lobby's and their influence in western politics, is being labeled ''anti semitic''

''Formerly an anti-Semite was somebody who hated Jews because they were Jews. But nowadays an anti-Semite is somebody who is hated by Jews.'' - Hayo Meyer, Jewish German-Dutch physicist

Poor Jeremy Corbyn.

Luckily, in America, Bernie Sanders has immunity to charges of anti-Semetism (so they’ll have to make up some other bullshit about him).

luckyshot said:

Poor Jeremy Corbyn.

Luckily, in America, Bernie Sanders has immunity to charges of anti-Semetism (so they’ll have to make up some other bullshit about him).

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Boom!

Fortunately for us Bernie folk, the Trump Russia conspiracy story will make the commie attack worthless as well.

Biden runs, and the old attack is gone.

What do they have left?

Corbyn is kind of funny, he is too radical for a Brit and I think he would been toast in the US, but I like him.

there is really someone called mike gaped?

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Nothing of value was lost.

There's no one of sufficient substance among them at the moment to build a SDP type alternate party , I suspect unless they get reinforcements of a higher caliber from their former colleagues or even from left leaning Conservatives jumping ship from their party the center ground of British politics will continue to remain unoccupied .

berger was supposed to be my mp, like she gave a fuck

in a bit you blag red toff twat

The Labour Party are both the "Muslim party" and simultaneously against "anti-Jews".

This will be fun to watch unfold in the coming decades.

The labor party, like the democrats in the US just appear to support anyone that is "fuck white people"

Another Labour MP has quit the party though Ian Austin says he's not joining the Independent Group .

danny23 said:

Nothing of value was lost.

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Absolutely this. Chukka stated only 3 years ago he favoured leaving the single market to ensure no free movement, sings a different tune now. That gavin fella has links to a anti abortion think tank and enjoyed a 10k trip to his masters in Saudi Arabia . Funny tinge lady is on the payroll of the water company’s (mmm what could it be that she doesn’t like about Corbyn). “We aren’t secret Tory’s” so we are starting a party with the Tory’s!!!! The fact they registered their business in Panama says it all really

ICHEERTHEBULL said:

Absolutely this.

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Maybe so right now but this thing has got some distance left to run , if more go this weekend then things will really start to get interesting .

ICHEERTHEBULL said:

Absolutely this. Chukka stated only 3 years ago he favoured leaving the single market to ensure no free movement, sings a different tune now. That gavin fella has links to a anti abortion think tank and enjoyed a 10k trip to his masters in Saudi Arabia . Funny tinge lady is on the payroll of the water company’s (mmm what could it be that she doesn’t like about Corbyn). “We aren’t secret Tory’s” so we are starting a party with the Tory’s!!!! The fact they registered their business in Panama says it all really

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Honestly though I think the most negative aspect of the whole situation is the fawning media response to these tactics. I mean I grew up to expect some media bias but I think what were seeing is that even mainstream news sources who might be outwardly liberal socially have actually shifted significantly to the right in recent decades. This I would say is actually the biggest flaw in democracy across the entire western world, you obviously have resistance from within the political establishment but by its nature there is potential for change there. The mainstream media on the other hand is largely undemocratic and I think were seeing it slavishly look to hang onto the neoliberial interventionalist world view of the 90's and 00's, were also I think seeing that its greatest enemy isn't actually the far right but rather even moderate shifts to the left and away from colonialist interventions, Trump is never more popular with CNN, etc than when he's threatening to invade or bombing somewhere.

As far as anti-Semitism goes I think both the media and these politicians are far more guilty of it themselves than Corbyn's Labour is. I mean you will have some antisemtism in every political party just as you'll have some racism/sexism/homophobia but I'v seen no evidence that these things have increased under Corbyn, I have seen evidence (Yougov polls) that they've gone down and indeed that Labour has much tougher standards now on anti-Semitism than the Tories do(yougov polls show there members significantly more anti-Semitic).

Meanwhile you have these people looking to link criticism of Isreal to criticism of the jewish community as a whole for their own ends. If you were for example an Islamic extremist operating in the UK this is exactly what you'd want to see, the closer this link is made the easier it will be to recruit muslims angry as Isreali actions and the more danger the jewish community in the UK will be in from extremist attacks. Sadly I suspect that doesn't matter to either these people or the Isreali's themselves, they probably welcome such attacks as something political capital can be made from.

The reality is that if Corbyn(a man who's spent his political life attacking racism ala Bernie Sanders) was a cynical callous politician it would actually be a lot easier for him to be anti-Semitic in the fashion for example of Viktor Orban in Hungery(who the Tories helped support by plotting EU sanction) and indeed the way the Tories themlseves clearly look to exploit racism and islamophopbia to further their political ends. Racist hatred is naturally much easier to cultivate than reasoned calls to social and international justice.