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(Insider)   "Epstein's last days were spent emptying vending machines with his lawyers in a private meeting room, avoiding suicide watch, and paying other inmates' commissaries"   (insider.com) divider line
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scotchcrotch  
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2019-08-17 2:35:14 PM  
Poor guy he just couldn't catch a break, except for his neck that is.
 
Gyrfalcon  
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2019-08-17 2:38:26 PM  
Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.
 
2019-08-17 2:39:58 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.


he was straight up murdered.
 
shaggai  
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2019-08-17 2:40:01 PM  
Well after getting his attempt at bail denied the lawyers knew exactly how many billable hours they could get away with and still get paid. So if they had to play babysitter, as long as there's money left.
 
Wendigogo [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-17 2:40:39 PM  
Cut and paste headline? Super creative, subby.
 
hissatsu [TotalFark]  
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2019-08-17 2:40:54 PM  
I haven't read anything to change my opinion that it was either massive incompetence (and understaffing) or "If we just look the other way this will take care of itself." I don't see any need for complex conspiracies and assassins. I'm not sorry he's dead, but he shouldn't have been able to go out on his own terms.
 
gameshowhost [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 2:41:21 PM  
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2019-08-17 2:42:21 PM  
I thought they smuggled in a young woman for his therapy.
Not much sadder that an empty vending machine in jail.
 
2019-08-17 2:44:39 PM  
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Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 2:47:33 PM  
Can we switch the countries conversation over from the Jeffrey Epstein Lifetime movie to legal prosecution to the other rapists still at large?
 
2019-08-17 2:48:07 PM  
hissatsu:

American prisons are not "understaffed"

Rather, they are overpopulated to the point where we need a new word to describe how many people over the level it should be there are.  Like "super-occupancy" or "malicious sardinification"

If we would reform the system to something more in line with the international standard, we could cut staff    and still have enough people around to give epstein level priority people a 24 hour physicaly present team of security, video overwatch, and a couple undercover shadows in the inmate population.
 
Thosw [BareFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 2:48:51 PM  
Paying off the inmates' commissary debts? Just in case he couldn't pull suicide off?
 
The Bunyip  
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2019-08-17 2:49:06 PM  
I'm not really sure what to think until I know exactly what was in the vending machines. Was he binging on Doritos and Mountain Dew or wacky off-brand snacks? This means something.
 
2019-08-17 2:49:56 PM  
They should have put him in a for profit prison where they get paid by the prisoner so they had incentive to keep him alive.
 
maxandgrinch [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 2:50:01 PM  
After a life of getting all the sweeties for so long, the vending machine might have to do

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2019-08-17 2:53:59 PM  
He went out trying to replace what was removed from his daily diet?

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haywatchthis  
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2019-08-17 2:54:28 PM  

Thosw: Paying off the inmates' commissary debts? Just in case he couldn't pull suicide off?


to avoid some dude raping him
 
way south  
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2019-08-17 2:54:54 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.


A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.
 
haywatchthis  
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2019-08-17 3:01:34 PM  

way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.


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2019-08-17 3:01:38 PM  
While we're in the habit of reviving decades old moral panics lately, Epstein was driven to suicide by the death of his D&D character.
 
2019-08-17 3:02:32 PM  
Paying commissary accounts doesn't need the Kate that you was trying to avoid attention, but rather that you was planning on sticking around for the long haul.

Business Insider really lost my confidence with the to avoid attentionbit.  They have no way of knowing that.  Their credibility on Epstein has been self-impeached.
 
2019-08-17 3:02:57 PM  
No way the law would look the other way if he faked a suicide. It's not like he ever got a farking insane plea deal before or anything.
 
otherideas  
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2019-08-17 3:03:35 PM  

Wendigogo: Cut and paste headline? Super creative, subby.


Don't be so angry and judgmental. This is fark and we don't condone that here!
 
2019-08-17 3:04:55 PM  
Anyway, I can add Epstein's death to the long list of things conspiracy cranks will never leave me alone about. I can say on Twitter that he must likely committed suicide, and then be descended upon by a bunch of loons who'll tell me that he was killed by Trump'shiatman, who then replaced his dead body with Hillary Clinton's brother, so Epstein's corpse can live under an assumed identity somewhere else.
 
2019-08-17 3:05:47 PM  
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/I think Epstein did kill himself. It doesn't mean the entire upper echelon of society isn't corrupt as all hell.
 
Coconice  
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2019-08-17 3:06:02 PM  
My overwhelming feeling for all things Epstein is sadness. I feel it for everyone and everything this has touched.

There are not many things I would voluntarily pay extra tax for, but prison reform is one. Simple hygiene and personal safety should be a baseline.
 
2019-08-17 3:07:05 PM  

haywatchthis: way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.

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Why is it that people talk about Clinton, when there are lots of pictures with Epstein and Trump together. Also, it's Trump, not Clinton who has a thing for very young girls rather than grown women.

Oh, Yea, Trump told you that it had to be Clinton.
 
angryjd  
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2019-08-17 3:07:07 PM  

way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.


Country club? No way. He got the undivided attention of the attorney general and this case got the secretary of labor fired. No amount of money could have any influence in a case like this. As far as names of people, it would have to be people Trump cared about, which as of this point in time is a very small circle. The feds shined a light on this case because locking him up was easy money. No amount of influence was going to force the DOJ to drop the ball twice on a rich pedophile.
 
2019-08-17 3:08:56 PM  
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This was his new life.
 
2019-08-17 3:09:49 PM  

NotARocketScientist: haywatchthis: way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.

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Why is it that people talk about Clinton, when there are lots of pictures with Epstein and Trump together. Also, it's Trump, not Clinton who has a thing for very young girls rather than grown women.

Oh, Yea, Trump told you that it had to be Clinton.


I've already said in this thread that I don't buy into the conspiracies... But you've got to be Dale Gribble levels of oblivious if you've got a sitting AG and a president who're long-time friends and associates of Epstein, and the first connection you make is "I bet a Clinton did this."
 
skozlaw [OhFark]  
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2019-08-17 3:10:48 PM  

MattytheMouse: I've already said in this thread that I don't buy into the conspiracies... But you've got to be Dale Gribble levels of oblivious if you've got a sitting AG and a president who're long-time friends and associates of Epstein, and the first connection you make is "I bet a Clinton did this."


It was probably Stuart. He needed help building the landing strips for the gay martians so he faked Epstein's suicide.
 
2019-08-17 3:11:40 PM  

NotARocketScientist: haywatchthis: way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.

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Why is it that people talk about Clinton, when there are lots of pictures with Epstein and Trump together. Also, it's Trump, not Clinton who has a thing for very young girls rather than grown women.

Oh, Yea, Trump told you that it had to be Clinton.


The Clintons kill people, remember?  It's a joke.  Lighten up, Francis.
 
TomTudbury  
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2019-08-17 3:14:09 PM  
He got his lawyers out of vending machines?
 
Yoyo  
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2019-08-17 3:14:25 PM  

Thosw: Paying off the inmates' commissary debts? Just in case he couldn't pull suicide off?


At least he was charitable and helping out his fellow man.
 
2019-08-17 3:14:40 PM  

MattytheMouse: Anyway, I can add Epstein's death to the long list of things conspiracy cranks will never leave me alone about. I can say on Twitter that he must likely committed suicide, and then be descended upon by a bunch of loons who'll tell me that he was killed by Trump'shiatman, who then replaced his dead body with Hillary Clinton's brother, so Epstein's corpse can live under an assumed identity somewhere else.


Can you tell me what about the circumstances of his death would have been different were he murdered?  What conclusively makes this a suicide?  That line of argument hinges on one thing alone--that this was a secure facility.

But the secure facility argument fails once you learn that the state's position is that both guards were asleep for three hours.  And it requires you to ignore CBS' inmate account of shrieks coming from Epstiein's cell in the hours before his death.

There's literally nothing to substantiate the state's claim that Epstiein's death was a suicide.  They are unable to authenticate the claim that this is a secure facility, so much so that they can not even provide video footage of the hallway to Epstiein's cell block because the camera was turned off.

I can't say Jeffery Epstiein's death was murder.  But I can say, with the utmost certainty, that the state is unable to prove its determination of suicide given a litany of parallel custody record keeping failures.

The only thing that the medical examiner's report proves conclusively is that the DOJ will not be investigating further.

Anyone that claims otherwise is a disingenuous sack of s***, and that includes the state's medical examiner.  A determination of suicide is impossible because all the mechanisms that would have proven Epstiein to be the only person in that cell failed at in parallel.
 
2019-08-17 3:14:50 PM  

MattytheMouse: NotARocketScientist: haywatchthis: way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.

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Why is it that people talk about Clinton, when there are lots of pictures with Epstein and Trump together. Also, it's Trump, not Clinton who has a thing for very young girls rather than grown women.

Oh, Yea, Trump told you that it had to be Clinton.

I've already said in this thread that I don't buy into the conspiracies... But you've got to be Dale Gribble levels of oblivious if you've got a sitting AG and a president who're long-time friends and associates of Epstein, and the first connection you make is "I bet a Clinton did this."


I agree. I can see motivations for both suicide and murder, however the difficulty for murder is very high.  It's the automatic jumping to "Clinton did it" with no evidence and ignoring more likely candidates, that I object to.
 
2019-08-17 3:15:00 PM  

way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.


The feds already raided Pedo Island.  They have all of Epstein's blackmail material and his victims; they had no need to make a deal with him.   Given the coverage around this case and the scandal of his last slap on the wrist, there is no way he was going to walk and he knew it.
 
DarkVader  
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2019-08-17 3:15:27 PM  

Ker_Thwap: Can we switch the countries conversation over from the Jeffrey Epstein Lifetime movie to legal prosecution to the other rapists still at large?


We can't.  Because he was either straight up murdered or forced to kill himself, those other cases just got a farklot weaker and harder to prosecute.

And even though that's really obvious, there are still people who claim that the neat little set of circumstances we're being told happened is the entirety of this.

Most of the time, Occam says it's not a conspiracy.  This time, Occam says it is.
 
2019-08-17 3:18:09 PM  

Jeebus Saves: NotARocketScientist: haywatchthis: way south: Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.

A guy with that much money and access, it would be a club fed if not house arrest. He wasn't going to a regular prison.
He already talked himself into a private cell with unsupervised visits. He could have gotten another plea if he dropped enough names.  According to his lawyers it sounds like he had every reason to sit quiet and wait this out. He'd have been living it up in whichever low security facility they sent him to.

Instead he gets a convenient off camera hanging two weeks after claiming he was attacked and a day after implicating a new list of politicians and princes. Now everyone's in a rush to wrap this up and put it behind them. No associates to question and no further digging to be done.

It all ends rather neatly.

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Why is it that people talk about Clinton, when there are lots of pictures with Epstein and Trump together. Also, it's Trump, not Clinton who has a thing for very young girls rather than grown women.

Oh, Yea, Trump told you that it had to be Clinton.

The Clintons kill people, remember?  It's a joke.  Lighten up, Francis.


It would be easier to identify this as a joke if:
1) it was funny
2) it wasn't something that people were saying already
Textbook example of Poes law
 
DarkVader  
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2019-08-17 3:18:15 PM  

NotARocketScientist: I agree. I can see motivations for both suicide and murder, however the difficulty for murder is very high. It's the automatic jumping to "Clinton did it" with no evidence and ignoring more likely candidates, that I object to.


Now saying "Clinton did it" - THAT is insanity.

Clinton had nothing to do with it.
 
2019-08-17 3:20:13 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: MattytheMouse: Anyway, I can add Epstein's death to the long list of things conspiracy cranks will never leave me alone about. I can say on Twitter that he must likely committed suicide, and then be descended upon by a bunch of loons who'll tell me that he was killed by Trump'shiatman, who then replaced his dead body with Hillary Clinton's brother, so Epstein's corpse can live under an assumed identity somewhere else.

Can you tell me what about the circumstances of his death would have been different were he murdered?  What conclusively makes this a suicide?  That line of argument hinges on one thing alone--that this was a secure facility.

But the secure facility argument fails once you learn that the state's position is that both guards were asleep for three hours.  And it requires you to ignore CBS' inmate account of shrieks coming from Epstiein's cell in the hours before his death.

There's literally nothing to substantiate the state's claim that Epstiein's death was a suicide.  They are unable to authenticate the claim that this is a secure facility, so much so that they can not even provide video footage of the hallway to Epstiein's cell block because the camera was turned off.

I can't say Jeffery Epstiein's death was murder.  But I can say, with the utmost certainty, that the state is unable to prove its determination of suicide given a litany of parallel custody record keeping failures.

The only thing that the medical examiner's report proves conclusively is that the DOJ will not be investigating further.

Anyone that claims otherwise is a disingenuous sack of s***, and that includes the state's medical examiner.  A determination of suicide is impossible because all the mechanisms that would have proven Epstiein to be the only person in that cell failed at in parallel.


I mean, either Epstein committed suicide, or somebody sent in a ninja to break Epstein's neck and paid off the coroner to lie on the autopsy. One seems a lot more likely than the other.
 
Begoggle  
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2019-08-17 3:20:29 PM  
Why do Trump and the Republicans keep letting the Clintons get away with this stuff?
This is proof that they are corrupt as hell.
We all know Hillary did it.
BUT THEY WON'T LOCK HER UP.
Why not?
 
pup.socket  
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2019-08-17 3:20:47 PM  
How nice that the media are pushing the suicide narrative so forcefully. Otherwise some people may have had doubts about it.
 
hobnail  
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2019-08-17 3:21:40 PM  

leeksfromchichis: hissatsu:

American prisons are not "understaffed"

Rather, they are overpopulated to the point where we need a new word to describe how many people over the level it should be there are.  Like "super-occupancy" or "malicious sardinification"

If we would reform the system to something more in line with the international standard, we could cut staff    and still have enough people around to give epstein level priority people a 24 hour physicaly present team of security, video overwatch, and a couple undercover shadows in the inmate population.


Malicious Sardinification is my Reel Big Fish/Gwar mashup project.
 
Ambitwistor  
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2019-08-17 3:21:59 PM  

some_beer_drinker: he was straight up murdered.


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2019-08-17 3:23:05 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Suicide just seems more and more likely. He was looking at a life of, well, prison, and not liking what he saw.


Put your self in his shoes.
(I mean while they were on the ground).
At what point do you think someone like him will actually do the act? When will you? When it is likely you'll go to jail? Highly probable? Definitely?
Someone like him will probably not commit (to) suicide until it is a done deal and the judge/jury announce it.
Assuming they ever do. And others have said, he probably wasn't going to end up in a SuperMax.
 
Begoggle  
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2019-08-17 3:24:08 PM  

MattytheMouse: I mean, either Epstein committed suicide, or somebody sent in a ninja to break Epstein's neck and paid off the coroner to lie on the autopsy. One seems a lot more likely than the other.


Or, some random person, without any political or financial motivation, thought Epstein was scum that didn't deserve to live (that's just about everybody) and took advantage of their opportunity to take him out.
You might not have heard, but pedos are generally not liked in prison or anywhere else.
That seems the most likely scenario to me, based on what we know.
 
2019-08-17 3:24:23 PM  

DarkVader: Most of the time, Occam says it's not a conspiracy.  This time, Occam says it is.


No, you're just being delusional like every other conspiracy theorist, who's convinced THEIR conspiracy is the obvious one.
 
2019-08-17 3:24:53 PM  
Look, the sad fact of the matter is Epstein killed himself because our prison system is a mess of negligent incompetence, and as much as we'd like to believe otherwise nobody is actually in control of anything or knows what they're doing.
 
2019-08-17 3:25:39 PM  

scotchcrotch: Poor guy he just couldn't catch a break, except for his neck that is.


Sometimes all it takes is one lucky break for things to finally turn around.
 
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