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rackrent  
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2019-02-17 8:53:42 AM  
I don't think I'll ever get over Machu Picchu
 
Mugato [TotalFark]  
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2019-02-17 9:10:19 AM  
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2019-02-17 10:08:00 AM  
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Russ1642  
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2019-02-17 10:18:03 AM  
The idea of drug testing seems good until people find out just how bad the tests are.
 
Gooch [BareFark]  
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2019-02-17 10:22:09 AM  
Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.
 
insain1  
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2019-02-17 10:24:18 AM  
Yeah right......
 
almejita  
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2019-02-17 10:25:12 AM  

Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.


Well maybe he did Mr. Smarty Pants.  Maybe he brewed 2 tons of the stuff and drank it.  Got allllll cocained up...and forgot which day was Tuesday, the day of the recital.
 
Zeb Hesselgresser  
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2019-02-17 10:27:45 AM  
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kbronsito  
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2019-02-17 10:29:06 AM  

Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.


Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.
 
NeedlesslyCanadian  
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2019-02-17 10:29:43 AM  
If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

(With obvious exceptions like jobs where you are responsible for the safety of others)
 
almejita  
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2019-02-17 10:33:29 AM  

kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.


The guy in my story did ^^, you just have to believe when you tell it.
 
Turbo Cojones  
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2019-02-17 10:34:17 AM  

Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.


Pretty sure he meant Mate or Cimarrón drink.  They sell those ahi and the yayo, pa alla.
 
Por que tan serioso  
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2019-02-17 10:35:27 AM  

almejita: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Well maybe he did Mr. Smarty Pants.  Maybe he brewed 2 tons of the stuff and drank it.  Got allllll cocained up...and forgot which day was Tuesday, the day of the recital.


That gave me audible shudders remembering my ex.
 
Mugato [TotalFark]  
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2019-02-17 10:36:23 AM  
They have drug tests you can take during the interview. It's been a while since I had a drug test so I didn't know they existed. You just swab your mouth with a q-tip, put in the thing and it's like a pregnancy test. So thank Christ they know I won't be programming while high. I might have done something dangerous like put emojis in my comments or something.
 
Turbo Cojones  
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2019-02-17 10:36:42 AM  

almejita: kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.

The guy in my story did ^^, you just have to believe when you tell it.


Being a firefighter, I would more believe he accidentally slipped and fell on a dildo covered in flake.
 
Man On A Mission [TotalFark]  
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2019-02-17 10:38:56 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: (With obvious exceptions like jobs where you are responsible for the safety of others)


You mean like a firefighter? Like the one this story is about?

/ I know, I know ... who reads the articles
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Kyle Butler  
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2019-02-17 10:39:07 AM  
The real story is how does a firefighter afford a trip to Machu Picchu.
 
mrmopar5287  
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2019-02-17 10:45:00 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.


You agreed to this as a condition of your employment.
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-02-17 10:48:23 AM  

Kyle Butler: The real story is how does a firefighter afford a trip to Machu Picchu.


His other job(s). Most firefighters I have met do other stuff on their days off.
 
Por que tan serioso  
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2019-02-17 10:48:54 AM  

Kyle Butler: The real story is how does a firefighter afford a trip to Machu Picchu.


Stealing valuables from burning homes.
 
Por que tan serioso  
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2019-02-17 10:49:18 AM  

Unobtanium: Kyle Butler: The real story is how does a firefighter afford a trip to Machu Picchu.

His other job(s). Most firefighters I have met do other stuff on their days off.


Butt stuff?
 
Bslim  
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2019-02-17 10:49:46 AM  

Turbo Cojones: almejita: kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.

The guy in my story did ^^, you just have to believe when you tell it.

Being a firefighter, I would more believe he accidentally slipped and fell on a dildo covered in flake.


As long as it isn't your dildo...
 
NeedlesslyCanadian  
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2019-02-17 10:49:53 AM  

mrmopar5287: NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

You agreed to this as a condition of your employment.



It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

At least, it is in civilized countries.
 
NeedlesslyCanadian  
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2019-02-17 10:50:22 AM  

Man On A Mission: NeedlesslyCanadian: (With obvious exceptions like jobs where you are responsible for the safety of others)

You mean like a firefighter? Like the one this story is about?

/ I know, I know ... who reads the articles
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Ha. Touché.
 
Prof. Frink [BareFark]  
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2019-02-17 10:51:17 AM  

kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.


Not-high but failed-drug-test? Sounds like the best of both worlds!
Wait, not "best"...what's that other word?
 
almejita  
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2019-02-17 10:55:30 AM  

Por que tan serioso: almejita: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Well maybe he did Mr. Smarty Pants.  Maybe he brewed 2 tons of the stuff and drank it.  Got allllll cocained up...and forgot which day was Tuesday, the day of the recital.

That gave me audible shudders remembering my ex.


Because of the forgotten recital huh?  Every single time....
 
dittybopper  
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2019-02-17 10:56:14 AM  

Mugato: They have drug tests you can take during the interview. It's been a while since I had a drug test so I didn't know they existed. You just swab your mouth with a q-tip, put in the thing and it's like a pregnancy test. So thank Christ they know I won't be programming while high. I might have done something dangerous like put emojis in my comments or something.


When I get high I get high on C
Assembly language is a drug for me
My heart, my heart
COMPILE START.COB
 
almejita  
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2019-02-17 10:57:51 AM  

Turbo Cojones: almejita: kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.

The guy in my story did ^^, you just have to believe when you tell it.

Being a firefighter, I would more believe he accidentally slipped and fell on a dildo covered in flake.


Who told you about that?  It seems we will have to have a talk with the people down at Ye Olde Dildo Factory and Cocaine Manufacturing...YODFCM, nice place.
 
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2019-02-17 10:57:59 AM  
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dittybopper  
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2019-02-17 10:58:55 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: mrmopar5287: NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

You agreed to this as a condition of your employment.


It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

At least, it is in civilized countries.


No it isn't.

You can always say "No, that's an unacceptable condition.  And if they are unwilling to change it, you aren't obligated to work there.  Too few people recognize that a job interview is a two-way exchange.  They aren't just checking you out to see if you're suitable for them, you're checking them out to see if the company is suitable for you.

Or at least, you *SHOULD* be doing that.
 
almejita  
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2019-02-17 11:01:04 AM  

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What does she want a job for anyways? Girls get drugs for free, thusly, they have no need of working where they test you for drugs.  Lucky old girls.
 
wildcardjack [TotalFark]  
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2019-02-17 11:05:53 AM  
Coca leaf shouldn't be illegal. If you concentrate caffeine in a similar manner you get a dangerous drug also.
 
kbronsito  
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2019-02-17 11:07:45 AM  

Prof. Frink: kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.

Not-high but failed-drug-test? Sounds like the best of both worlds!
Wait, not "best"...what's that other word?


Definitely not like Best of Both Worlds... more like Shades of Grey or Sub Rosa.
 
Lady J [recently expired TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2019-02-17 11:08:14 AM  
That stuff doesn't touch the sides for me. Misspent youth, innit.
 
wildcardjack [TotalFark]  
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2019-02-17 11:08:53 AM  
Also, don't work jobs that make demands of your personal life.
 
almejita  
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2019-02-17 11:10:26 AM  

kbronsito: Prof. Frink: kbronsito: Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.

Nope. You can get a positive on a drug test from coca tea. It depends on the quality of the test but trace amounts could still give a positive. You just can't get high off coca tea.

Not-high but failed-drug-test? Sounds like the best of both worlds!
Wait, not "best"...what's that other word?

Definitely not like Best of Both Worlds... more like Shades of Grey or Sub Rosa.


Surfer Rosa was good though.
 
abhorrent1  
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2019-02-17 11:16:51 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

(With obvious exceptions like jobs where you are responsible for the safety of others)


Agree but the problem is they stay in your system long after the effects wear off. They don't know if you were high that morning or two days ago. They're not doing deep dive forensic testing to determine time and date of use. It's either something is there, or it isn't.
 
SirEattonHogg  
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2019-02-17 11:21:51 AM  
My folks came back from Peru and my dad who is into teas was over enthused about coca leaf tea when he got back.  He's always been very straight laced about drugs.  I don't believe he's ever consumed an illegal narcotic in his life or even smoked a joint (although he also now raves about CBD skin cream or oils).

Anyhow, he comes back and is like "where can I find this tea in the US?" So for a few months - like a junkie, every time I see him, he's talking about his search for coco leaf tea. And then the bit that made me go "please don't do that..." was apparently he walked into the local mall Teavana and asked if they might have coca leaf tea.  I swear he's losing his common sense.
 
dkulprit  
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2019-02-17 11:25:45 AM  

Gooch: Can't blame the coca leaf tea unless he had 10,000 cups of it. The concentration of cocaine per leave is infinitesimally small. When I went to Machu Picchu I was suffering from altitude sickness and was initially hesitant to drink the coca tea but the guide assured me I wouldn't fail any drug tests. It literally takes a ton of leaves to get a gram of pure cocaine.


Meh, kinda this.  You can pop hot for it depending on the test.  A standard dipstick probably not.  Specific gravity?  You will fail.  The tea is definitely active, but not as strong.  1 cup is about a 1/4 of a line.  So it's enough to give you the stimulant properties, but not get geeked out unless you drink a ton.  The thing is the half life of cocaine is pretty damn fast.  It is water solvable and out of your system in about 3 days.  So unless he brought it back and continued drinking it, or drank it on his last day of his trip and tested the next day, there is no reason it should be in his system.  So he was taking it more than he claimed.
 
ijason  
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2019-02-17 11:26:41 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

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i would like to see a citation of any country that classifies compliance with voluntary drug testing as a "human rights violation". i stress voluntary because, as it has already been said, agreeing to the testing was a term of employment.
 
NeedlesslyCanadian  
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2019-02-17 11:26:49 AM  

dittybopper: NeedlesslyCanadian: mrmopar5287: NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

You agreed to this as a condition of your employment.


It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

At least, it is in civilized countries.

No it isn't.

You can always say "No, that's an unacceptable condition.  And if they are unwilling to change it, you aren't obligated to work there.  Too few people recognize that a job interview is a two-way exchange.  They aren't just checking you out to see if you're suitable for them, you're checking them out to see if the company is suitable for you.

Or at least, you *SHOULD* be doing that.



No, it's discrimination based on choices you may or may not have made in your personal life that have no bearing on work. That's what makes it a human rights violation--every bit as much as an interviewer asking about your religion or relationship/pregnancy status or sexual orientation. What you do on your own time is nobody's business but your own, and for an employer or prospective employer to even ask is a violation of your basic human right to privacy.
 
Ozarkhawk  
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2019-02-17 11:29:47 AM  
Drank a LOT of Coca tea in Peru, and it really helped with the altitude thing.

On another note, we toured Machu Pichu at dawn, and our guide pointed to a specific flower and said "if you crush this up and make tea, you will sleep for 3 days and visit all of your dead relatives."  Didn't try that.
 
NuclearPenguins [TotalFark]  
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2019-02-17 11:31:18 AM  

NeedlesslyCanadian: dittybopper: NeedlesslyCanadian: mrmopar5287: NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

You agreed to this as a condition of your employment.


It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

At least, it is in civilized countries.

No it isn't.

You can always say "No, that's an unacceptable condition.  And if they are unwilling to change it, you aren't obligated to work there.  Too few people recognize that a job interview is a two-way exchange.  They aren't just checking you out to see if you're suitable for them, you're checking them out to see if the company is suitable for you.

Or at least, you *SHOULD* be doing that.


No, it's discrimination based on choices you may or may not have made in your personal life that have no bearing on work. That's what makes it a human rights violation--every bit as much as an interviewer asking about your religion or relationship/pregnancy status or sexual orientation. What you do on your own time is nobody's business but your own, and for an employer or prospective employer to even ask is a violation of your basic human right to privacy.


Don't engage with him. It just isn't worth it.
 
NeedlesslyCanadian  
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2019-02-17 11:31:53 AM  

ijason: NeedlesslyCanadian: It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

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i would like to see a citation of any country that classifies compliance with voluntary drug testing as a "human rights violation". i stress voluntary because, as it has already been said, agreeing to the testing was a term of employment.


http://www.ohrc.on.ca/en/policy-drug-and-alcohol-testing-2016

Drug testing is only permitted where safety is a concern.
 
kbronsito  
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2019-02-17 11:32:57 AM  

SirEattonHogg: My folks came back from Peru and my dad who is into teas was over enthused about coca leaf tea when he got back.  He's always been very straight laced about drugs.  I don't believe he's ever consumed an illegal narcotic in his life or even smoked a joint (although he also now raves about CBD skin cream or oils).

Anyhow, he comes back and is like "where can I find this tea in the US?" So for a few months - like a junkie, every time I see him, he's talking about his search for coco leaf tea. And then the bit that made me go "please don't do that..." was apparently he walked into the local mall Teavana and asked if they might have coca leaf tea.  I swear he's losing his common sense.



I found the coca tea on Amazon.com a few years back. Just checked and they don't seem to have it anymore. Vendor probably had the tea on there for as long as they could get away with it. There's some other websites where he could get it but he'll obviously be overpaying.

Or you could introduce your dad to Yerba Mate. It's entirely different than mate de coca... It has caffeine and guarana as stimulants. So it's addictive enough. Plus, he gets to drink it out of a cool-looking gourd. In Argentina they drink it warm, in Paraguay they drink it cold. So he can google how to do both versions for summer/winter. Oh, and traditionally, everyone drinks from the same cup and pass it around. It's kinda a communal thing with friends and family. Some people obviously aren't into that... but if he wants to go native, that's a thing.

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2019-02-17 11:37:28 AM  
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SirEattonHogg  
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2019-02-17 11:39:18 AM  

kbronsito: SirEattonHogg: My folks came back from Peru and my dad who is into teas was over enthused about coca leaf tea when he got back.  He's always been very straight laced about drugs.  I don't believe he's ever consumed an illegal narcotic in his life or even smoked a joint (although he also now raves about CBD skin cream or oils).

Anyhow, he comes back and is like "where can I find this tea in the US?" So for a few months - like a junkie, every time I see him, he's talking about his search for coco leaf tea. And then the bit that made me go "please don't do that..." was apparently he walked into the local mall Teavana and asked if they might have coca leaf tea.  I swear he's losing his common sense.


I found the coca tea on Amazon.com a few years back. Just checked and they don't seem to have it anymore. Vendor probably had the tea on there for as long as they could get away with it. There's some other websites where he could get it but he'll obviously be overpaying.

Or you could introduce your dad to Yerba Mate. It's entirely different than mate de coca... It has caffeine and guarana as stimulants. So it's addictive enough. Plus, he gets to drink it out of a cool-looking gourd. In Argentina they drink it warm, in Paraguay they drink it cold. So he can google how to do both versions for summer/winter. Oh, and traditionally, everyone drinks from the same cup and pass it around. It's kinda a communal thing with friends and family. Some people obviously aren't into that... but if he wants to go native, that's a thing.

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Thank you for the tip.  I'll get the old man a box of that Yerba mate.
 
BitwiseShift  
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2019-02-17 11:40:04 AM  
Let me get this straight.  VW knows about diesel tests, and does what it can to pass the test by adjusting its behavior -- BAD.

People who eat poppy seed buns or drink some Peruvian tea adjust  behavior to pass the test -- GOOD.

Something is really wrong with the test.  Work-arounds are fine when you're getting paid to create them as a stop gap for debugging, but people shouldn't have to fix bugs in government tests to support a government assessment.
 
kbronsito  
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2019-02-17 11:44:10 AM  

SirEattonHogg: kbronsito: SirEattonHogg: My folks came back from Peru and my dad who is into teas was over enthused about coca leaf tea when he got back.  He's always been very straight laced about drugs.  I don't believe he's ever consumed an illegal narcotic in his life or even smoked a joint (although he also now raves about CBD skin cream or oils).

Anyhow, he comes back and is like "where can I find this tea in the US?" So for a few months - like a junkie, every time I see him, he's talking about his search for coco leaf tea. And then the bit that made me go "please don't do that..." was apparently he walked into the local mall Teavana and asked if they might have coca leaf tea.  I swear he's losing his common sense.


I found the coca tea on Amazon.com a few years back. Just checked and they don't seem to have it anymore. Vendor probably had the tea on there for as long as they could get away with it. There's some other websites where he could get it but he'll obviously be overpaying.

Or you could introduce your dad to Yerba Mate. It's entirely different than mate de coca... It has caffeine and guarana as stimulants. So it's addictive enough. Plus, he gets to drink it out of a cool-looking gourd. In Argentina they drink it warm, in Paraguay they drink it cold. So he can google how to do both versions for summer/winter. Oh, and traditionally, everyone drinks from the same cup and pass it around. It's kinda a communal thing with friends and family. Some people obviously aren't into that... but if he wants to go native, that's a thing.

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Thank you for the tip.  I'll get the old man a box of that Yerba mate.


FYI. Sometimes you can get a kit with a bag of mate and the gourd included.
 
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NuclearPenguins: NeedlesslyCanadian: dittybopper: NeedlesslyCanadian: mrmopar5287: NeedlesslyCanadian: If you're subject to drug tests, you should probably sue for violation of your right to privacy. Your activities outside of the workplace are noneof your employer's business.

You agreed to this as a condition of your employment.


It's a human rights violation to even try to write it into an employment contract.

At least, it is in civilized countries.

No it isn't.

You can always say "No, that's an unacceptable condition.  And if they are unwilling to change it, you aren't obligated to work there.  Too few people recognize that a job interview is a two-way exchange.  They aren't just checking you out to see if you're suitable for them, you're checking them out to see if the company is suitable for you.

Or at least, you *SHOULD* be doing that.


No, it's discrimination based on choices you may or may not have made in your personal life that have no bearing on work. That's what makes it a human rights violation--every bit as much as an interviewer asking about your religion or relationship/pregnancy status or sexual orientation. What you do on your own time is nobody's business but your own, and for an employer or prospective employer to even ask is a violation of your basic human right to privacy.

Don't engage with him. It just isn't worth it.


Yes, Canada has a very different legal framework for drug testing than the US. In union workplaces, if the employer tries to introduce random drug testing there are quite a few restrictions. Unions grieve these policies all the time - sometimes they win, other times not. Basically, dangerous workplaces with demonstrated drug problems they can't solve with lest restrictive measures can probably test randomly. Other places usually need a reason to test, like post-incident or they suspect impairment. If they automatically fire you for failing a test, without enquiring about whether you have an addiction, they could be discriminating on the basis of disability.

Even in non-union places, they can't just put whatever they want in an employment contract. The law won't enforce an employment contract that violates minimum rights any more than it let you work for less than minimum wage.

I think the balance here is pretty much as it should be.  Oil sands workers, pilots, and so on can be tested whenever. A few steps down from that level of risk to others, you can be tested if you show signs of impairment or cause an accident. But we don't have to pee in cups to code or work the cash at Walmart.
 
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