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2021-05-12 7:56:23 AM  
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H31N0US  
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2021-05-12 7:57:48 AM  
Pandemic that kills 1 out of 100 infected? Yawn

An extra 20 minutes at the gas station? CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD

Damn Floridians. They've ruined Florida!
 
2021-05-12 7:57:56 AM  
And this is how we get cyber security budgets increased. Thanks evil ransomware dudes!
 
LL316  
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2021-05-12 7:59:26 AM  
In this case, isn't a state of emergency just to pre-empt gas stations from gouging?
 
2021-05-12 8:04:31 AM  
I'm only a thousand miles from there and I'm not seeing it happening here- it is clearly a hoax and nobody should be worried at all.

/And in three days, *poof* it'll all go away.
 
MFK  
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2021-05-12 8:05:14 AM  
meanwhile, in FTA, the actual problem:

Florida's gasoline supplies are largely unaffected by the outage, but a rash of panic buying starting Monday - especially across north Florida - has caused local shortages.

DeSantis could get in front of this by going on TV and saying "we're good people, calm down" but he won't because the Republicans think they can lay this at Biden's feet and score points off of it.

So once again, the problem is Republicans.
 
Ker_Thwap [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 8:09:45 AM  
DNRTFA, and haven't paid close attention to the Russian hacker story.  There are something like three to four hundred lines crossing to the east coast.  One being shut down for a few hours isn't going to cause chaos.

They find some kind of scare story every damned spring to use as an excuse to raise gas prices before the busiest driving season.

My guess would be billionaires spreading panic to manipulate the oil futures market.
 
chewd [recently expired TotalFark]  
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2021-05-12 8:09:46 AM  
Holy moses americans are a panicky bunch.

"home of the brave" LOL!
 
2021-05-12 8:13:01 AM  
Haw haw, what a bunch of stupid assholes.
 
Fireproof [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 8:14:09 AM  
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...and only one post separating them!
 
Fireproof [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 8:16:22 AM  

chewd: Holy moses americans are a panicky bunch.

"home of the brave" LOL!


I mean true, but it's also because we're a self-centered bunch, and we gotta get a full tank and 10 cans of gas before someone else gets it all!
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 8:17:20 AM  
"I think this is something that demands serious federal attention," he [DeSantis] said. "You can't just say it's a private pipeline ... The U.S. government needs to be involved. We need the federal government to step up and help."

Somehow, I don't think he'd be demanding Federal action so quickly if this had happened last year. Just a gut feeling.

But if I am a private property owner in Florida, he apparently doesn't want me to have a mask mandate. Or a vaccination requirement.

And, while apparently there are cyber security requirements for the electric grid, there don't appear to be similar requirement for petroleum pipelines. And the pipeline people are already pushing back against mandates.
 
2021-05-12 8:18:09 AM  
A lot of folks are filling up every vehicle, boat and gas can they have out of fear.  Same thing happened last year with toilet paper purchases and etc.

/I posted a longer diatribe in the other thread.
 
2021-05-12 8:19:13 AM  

Zombies ate my neighbors: And this is how we get cyber security budgets increased. Thanks evil ransomware dudes!


Honestly, it probably depends on how their InfoSec teams communicate cyber risk to their Board and Senior Leadership. There's always a bit of "pat yourself on the back" going on during a meeting. If they can effectively communicate that they are in a good place to defend against an active threat but defenseless against phishing/ransomware, they may receive funding.

I'm not holding my breath for across the board increases.
 
Netrngr  
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2021-05-12 8:23:08 AM  

LL316: In this case, isn't a state of emergency just to pre-empt gas stations from gouging?


IMHO gouging should include changing the price on fuel that's already been bought. Gas stations here changed the price 6 times Monday. 6!!! they were calling nd asking what price gas was throughout the day. I had watched them fill the tanks at the station that morning to 100% and were raising the price they were selling that fuel at all day. It's a damned racket I tells ya.
 
2021-05-12 8:23:31 AM  
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Way to bury the lede. So manufactured outrage.

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A mask might have stopped those words from coming out of your mouth, dumbass.
 
Netrngr  
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2021-05-12 8:24:36 AM  

MFK: meanwhile, in FTA, the actual problem:

Florida's gasoline supplies are largely unaffected by the outage, but a rash of panic buying starting Monday - especially across north Florida - has caused local shortages.

DeSantis could get in front of this by going on TV and saying "we're good people, calm down" but he won't because the Republicans think they can lay this at Biden's feet and score points off of it.

So once again, the problem is Republicans. Politicians.


FTFY
 
Netrngr  
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2021-05-12 8:28:52 AM  

Unobtanium: And the pipeline people are already pushing back against mandates.


That's because its hella expensive to build a security solution after the fact when it should have been done in the first place. That and mandates require immediate action which costs more.
 
2021-05-12 8:28:53 AM  

thealgorerhythm: [Fark user image image 425x247]
Way to bury the lede. So manufactured outrage.

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A mask might have stopped those words from coming out of your mouth, dumbass.


A muzzle would be better.

/That second one is SO Republican: Privatize the Profit, Socialize the Risk.
 
2021-05-12 8:31:25 AM  
It's funny how fear of shortage can cause a shortage.

A few years ago, this pipeline sprung a major leak and had to be shut down for a week. We've done this before. Just calm down and wait it out.
 
2021-05-12 8:44:20 AM  
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WillofJ2  
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2021-05-12 8:44:21 AM  
North carolina is nuts right now, many Gass stations just out, and people filling up what ever they can, apparently one idiot just put diesel in their car
 
J_Kushner  
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2021-05-12 8:57:40 AM  
Everyone relax.
The Russian Mafia are our friends & align with us on Christianity (schism aside) & being pro-gun (you may own bolt action rifles).

Ransomware not difference than ATM fee or Ticketmaster convenience charge.
 
2021-05-12 9:04:39 AM  

Unobtanium: "I think this is something that demands serious federal attention," he [DeSantis] said. "You can't just say it's a private pipeline ... The U.S. government needs to be involved. We need the federal government to step up and help."

Somehow, I don't think he'd be demanding Federal action so quickly if this had happened last year. Just a gut feeling.

But if I am a private property owner in Florida, he apparently doesn't want me to have a mask mandate. Or a vaccination requirement.

And, while apparently there are cyber security requirements for the electric grid, there don't appear to be similar requirement for petroleum pipelines. And the pipeline people are already pushing back against mandates.


Of course they are. The economic harm they're causing to the country? That's an external cost. How dare you make them spend money to prevent that, you commie socialist liberal commie!

By hooking everything up to the internet  they were able to dump secure line costs, lay off a bunch of on-site workers, and rake all that cash straight into their pockets. How FARKING DARE you demand they do business otherwise?
 
2021-05-12 9:05:11 AM  
I'm going to go wash my hands after typing that, maybe replace the keyboard.
 
2021-05-12 9:17:16 AM  

MFK: meanwhile, in FTA, the actual problem:

Florida's gasoline supplies are largely unaffected by the outage, but a rash of panic buying starting Monday - especially across north Florida - has caused local shortages.

DeSantis could get in front of this by going on TV and saying "we're good people, calm down" but he won't because the Republicans think they can lay this at Biden's feet and score points off of it.

So once again, the problem is Republicans.


The problem is always Republicans.
They are a cancer to this nation.
 
AnyName  
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2021-05-12 9:20:00 AM  

Netrngr: That's because its hella expensive to build a security solution after the fact when it should have been done in the first place. That and mandates require immediate action which costs more.


I can't "this" this enough.  I work for a large computer company company and the amount of security training were getting right now is astonishing.  1st lesson was "adding a bunch of security later is expensive".

I work doing system integration performance/compatibility testing so any code I write runs in a secured lab on a secured network and I still had to take the training.   Most people wouldn't even call what I'm doing "coding".
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 9:31:10 AM  

I hereby demand that I be given a Fark account: Of course they are. The economic harm they're causing to the country? That's an external cost. How dare you make them spend money to prevent that, you commie socialist liberal commie!

By hooking everything up to the internet  they were able to dump secure line costs, lay off a bunch of on-site workers, and rake all that cash straight into their pockets. How FARKING DARE you demand they do business otherwise?


One rumor going around is their SCADA is fine, it's their accounting systems that are hosed (so to speak). I haven't talked to anyone with actual knowledge of that. 

The pipeline companies have been automating for a long time. Colonial has had central control without on-site operators at tank farms for at least 10 years, maybe 15 (I'm in the transportation business, not fuel transport, but I was in a meeting where this was kind of quietly announced. I'd have to really dig to see if I have any notes on when it was).
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 9:32:06 AM  
Same old

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2021-05-12 9:34:19 AM  
You big dummy!!!! (Desantis).  Not only was this NOT necessary, all the stupid people in Floriduh will now hoard gas like they did asswipe and drive the price to the damn moon!

Big dummy...
 
MythDragon  
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2021-05-12 9:35:57 AM  
And this is what I wake up to on FB
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Fireproof [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 9:38:58 AM  

MythDragon: And this is what I wake up to on FB
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I'm sure when it's over in a week that it will also be part of their evil plan. And when Biden suggests building up the infrastructure and tightening cybersecurity on it that it will be part of their evil plan as well.
 
MythDragon  
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2021-05-12 9:41:04 AM  
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Hey, you know what's fun to have sloshing around your trunk?
 
smd31  
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2021-05-12 9:44:34 AM  
Americans (and humans in general) are, or can be, so fearful it's sad.

This is like when snow is predicted where I'm living at (VA), EVERYONE runs out to grab ALL the foods because snow!  OMG, not snow!  Like, even 1 inch of snow and nothing else will have people panic buying and grocery stores are packed.

*sigh

/guess I'm glad I filled up the car last week
 
Fireproof [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 9:48:01 AM  

MythDragon: [Fark user image image 424x750]
Hey, you know what's fun to have sloshing around your trunk?


Jeebus. Teenage me made a mess in my trunk because I attempted to drive with the roughly 8"-long gas can spout sticking out instead of closing it up properly. That guy will never get the smell of gas out of his car.
 
2021-05-12 9:56:29 AM  
"I think this is something that demands serious federal attention," he said. "You can't just say it's a private pipeline ... The U.S. government needs to be involved. We need the federal government to step up and help."

Biden should respond with "I just want to be clear, you are asking the federal government to step in and help a private entity, correct?" Go ahead and let DeSantis fail the GQP purity test nice and early.
 
2021-05-12 9:58:07 AM  

iron_city_ap: "I think this is something that demands serious federal attention," he said. "You can't just say it's a private pipeline ... The U.S. government needs to be involved. We need the federal government to step up and help."


Federal troops roll into Florida, take over the Gas stations, allow filling of only fuel tank installed in vehicle, enforced by incendiary rounds - so go ahead, fill that trunk with gas, nothing could go wrong!
 
Unobtanium [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 9:58:12 AM  

Fireproof: That guy will never get the smell of gas out of his car.


He will. When it becomes a rolling fireball of death [your username checks out, though].

I got a photo from a friend yesterday of a guy filling a 300 gallon "tote" tank (a plastic/metal composite intermediate bull container, to use the regulatory language). It was on a small single axle trailer suitable for a riding mower. Assuming he filled it up, that's 2400 lbs. of gas, and the trailer *might* be rated for 2,000. Plus it likely doesn't have brakes. There was one 2" strap across it. Liquid surge, higher center of gravity, overloaded trailer axle and hitch, and no brakes. Hilarity waiting to ensue.
 
2021-05-12 10:02:43 AM  

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Hey, you know what's fun to have sloshing around your trunk?


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2021-05-12 10:04:53 AM  
lady puts gas in plastic Bag
Youtube XRjNdgAetQE


This needs revisiting
 
MythDragon  
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2021-05-12 10:05:05 AM  
You guys need to be smart like me.
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I filled the tank on my pressure washer with gas, and now I have plenty to spare.  Best part is that when I want to use it, I just fire up the washer and can spray it right in my car's tank without having to manually pump it.
Work smarter, not harder I say.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 10:07:30 AM  
Fill in the blank:

Florida is a state of ________________.
 
2021-05-12 10:07:57 AM  

H31N0US: An extra 20 minutes at the gas station? CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD


If you ever have to wait for an available gas pump something's wrong. At least in every place I've ever lived.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 10:08:31 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: MythDragon: [Fark user image 424x750]
Hey, you know what's fun to have sloshing around your trunk?

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Florida is an Open Carry state. For gasoline and other flammable or explosive materials.
 
brantgoose [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2021-05-12 10:10:15 AM  

Optimus Primate: [Youtube-video https://www.youtube.com/embed/XRjNdgAetQE]

This needs revisiting


Testimony to the never say die, never think things through spirit of our population.

Stop worrying abou the Giant Meteor. It'll burn up in the atmos and smog.
 
natazha [BareFark]  
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2021-05-12 10:10:44 AM  

MFK: meanwhile, in FTA, the actual problem:

Florida's gasoline supplies are largely unaffected by the outage, but a rash of panic buying starting Monday - especially across north Florida - has caused local shortages.

DeSantis could get in front of this by going on TV and saying "we're good people, calm down" but he won't because the Republicans think they can lay this at Biden's feet and score points off of it.

So once again, the problem is Republicans.


Same thing in 1973. People panicked and spent hours sitting in lines, burning fuel, just to top off their tanks for the next round of sitting in lines.  Then I had an account on a rural pump, stick my key in, fill, get bill at the end of the month.  No, key, no pump, no lines.
 
cleek [BareFark]  
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2021-05-12 10:17:18 AM  
3/4 of Raleigh-area gas stations have no gas right now.

our car is stranded 30 miles away, with no gas in it. wife took a Lyft home.

guess who has a colonsoscopy scheduled in 4 hours!
 
2021-05-12 10:18:51 AM  

H31N0US: Pandemic that kills 1 out of 100 infected? Yawn

An extra 20 minutes at the gas station? CALL IN THE NATIONAL GUARD

Damn Floridians. They've ruined Florida!


Conservatives, libertarians, GQP, and laiseez faire centrists... what matters most is getting what YOU want WHEN you want it.

Anything else antithetical to that mantra is not important.

56% of U.S. eligible voters pulled the lever for Putin's buddy.

I think it's going to get much, much worse before any real progress is made in this country.

Some capitalist that funded rockets that land right-side up doesn't count.

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jjorsett  
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2021-05-12 10:28:36 AM  

Unobtanium: But if I am a private property owner in Florida, he apparently doesn't want me to have a mask mandate. Or a vaccination requirement.


So you won't wear a mask or get vaccinated unless some authority orders you to. Maybe you should consider taking the initiative a little more.
 
jjorsett  
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2021-05-12 10:33:28 AM  

thealgorerhythm: [Fark user image image 425x247]
Way to bury the lede. So manufactured outrage.

[Fark user image image 425x151]
A mask might have stopped those words from coming out of your mouth, dumbass.


People in government have been trying to reassure the public with the "supplies are fine" argument for days. Trouble is, while that's probably true, adequate supply does no good if you can't transport it to the point of sale, which is the problem here. Gasoline sitting in a tank or ship where you can't get to it is the same as not having it.
 
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