Why don't we talk about power and money when both clearly matters?

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Question as above.

Most of us spend the majority of our waking moments trying to get more money or power. Whether its at work (e.g. trying to get a salary increase or to get in our boss' favour), in the political arena (e.g. attending rallies and making political donations) or even at home (e.g. a parent trying to get their kid to do something or vice versa). Most of us are also affected by money and power, or, the lack of money and power.

However, what's strange about all this is that - even though we expend a lot of time and effort on these two things - people barely study it or talk about it. Indeed, wealth and power are portrayed as negative qualities in everyday discourse - for example, asking about someone's salary or talking about your future financial goals is seen as rude or arrogant, stating the influence of government/big institutions is seen as a refusal to take self responsibility and openly stating that you like power/want to contest for a more powerful position marks you as a machiavellian type figure.

Why is that? Why is there a sense that keeping everyone silent (and thus, forcing an artificial sense that everyone is "equal") is more important than honest discourse which can lead to greater results? Surely, studying and talking about these things will give us a better understanding and, by extension, better ability to obtain both - what's not to like about that especially given the actual disproportionately in power and wealth in most societies?
 
I just want a good life, i'm not greed or lust for Power

Problem is, some of things i will like to have to perceive my life as good cost relatively (to me, middle class) many money

So i need better position to get better monthly income
 
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It has already been explained definitively once and for all.

 
working construction. I learned who you know matters more then anything. a lotta power in having a strong network.
 
Question as above.

Most of us spend the majority of our waking moments trying to get more money or power. Whether its at work (e.g. trying to get a salary increase or to get in our boss' favour), in the political arena (e.g. attending rallies and making political donations) or even at home (e.g. a parent trying to get their kid to do something or vice versa). Most of us are also affected by money and power, or, the lack of money and power.

However, what's strange about all this is that - even though we expend a lot of time and effort on these two things - people barely study it or talk about it. Indeed, wealth and power are portrayed as negative qualities in everyday discourse - for example, asking about someone's salary or talking about your future financial goals is seen as rude or arrogant, stating the influence of government/big institutions is seen as a refusal to take self responsibility and openly stating that you like power/want to contest for a more powerful position marks you as a machiavellian type figure.

Why is that? Why is there a sense that keeping everyone silent (and thus, forcing an artificial sense that everyone is "equal") is more important than honest discourse which can lead to greater results? Surely, studying and talking about these things will give us a better understanding and, by extension, better ability to obtain both - what's not to like about that especially given the actual disproportionately in power and wealth in most societies?
Because the left has no vision for the future so they have instead reframed things in terms of identity politics to be able to have a position of moral high ground over the right.

What do you think @panamaican ?
 
Mainstream news almost always downplays the influence of money and power in our government and politicians. When in reality, it is 100% ALWAYS about the money.
 
People have barely studied and debated wealth and power? What planet are you on mate?

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Equal wealth and power distribution is fantasyland shit.........it's not in our DNA. As much as your kind heart wants to believe the possibility, it can't happen. It defies all of human history and is the driving force in our societal structure. We're too far gone now mate.
 
Equal wealth and power distribution is fantasyland shit.........it's not in our DNA. As much as your kind heart wants to believe the possibility, it can't happen. It defies all of human history and is the driving force in our societal structure. We're too far gone now mate.

There's always going to be a one percent, always. It's a natural law.

That said, in the west we are wealthier as a society than ever before. There's so much help for the poorest among us they'd have been considered wealthy a century ago.
 
There's always going to be a one percent, always. It's a natural law.

That said, in the west we are wealthier as a society than ever before. There's so much help for the poorest among us they'd have been considered wealthy a century ago.
I think if you analyzed the perceived "wealth increase" for the majority of westerners you'd come to quickly realize the majority of it is purchased on loaned money with absurd interest rates and not really indicative of true accumulation. While quality of life has certainly increased, so has taxation and debt.
 
Why don't we talk about power and money?

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What the fuck?

As a species that's our obsession. Most things we talk about or do, in some way revolves around acquiring these things (I'm counting sex under power in case anyone thinks I forgot about that).
 
Question as above.

Most of us spend the majority of our waking moments trying to get more money or power. Whether its at work (e.g. trying to get a salary increase or to get in our boss' favour), in the political arena (e.g. attending rallies and making political donations) or even at home (e.g. a parent trying to get their kid to do something or vice versa). Most of us are also affected by money and power, or, the lack of money and power.

However, what's strange about all this is that - even though we expend a lot of time and effort on these two things - people barely study it or talk about it. Indeed, wealth and power are portrayed as negative qualities in everyday discourse - for example, asking about someone's salary or talking about your future financial goals is seen as rude or arrogant, stating the influence of government/big institutions is seen as a refusal to take self responsibility and openly stating that you like power/want to contest for a more powerful position marks you as a machiavellian type figure.

Why is that? Why is there a sense that keeping everyone silent (and thus, forcing an artificial sense that everyone is "equal") is more important than honest discourse which can lead to greater results? Surely, studying and talking about these things will give us a better understanding and, by extension, better ability to obtain both - what's not to like about that especially given the actual disproportionately in power and wealth in most societies?
We have an entire subforum, The War Room, where we do nothing but debate what power is, what it ought to be, who ought to have it, and why. Money is included in these discussions.

Are you being sincere? I hope you realize this OP reads like you plagiarized the prologue to any of a million self-help books if you wander down to a local Barnes & Noble. The flavor of this is especially....

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Maybe you mean "why don't I talk about power and money when both clearly matter"

And I can't answer that, since you talk about power and money in your OP. Welcome to the club. Half of us watch Fox.
 
Money and power are the two most important things in life.

Those that tell you they aren't ...have a happily satiated fat wife
 
Lmao @ going to rallies. Ain't nobody at any rally got a job let alone money.
 
Question as above.

Most of us spend the majority of our waking moments trying to get more money or power. Whether its at work (e.g. trying to get a salary increase or to get in our boss' favour), in the political arena (e.g. attending rallies and making political donations) or even at home (e.g. a parent trying to get their kid to do something or vice versa). Most of us are also affected by money and power, or, the lack of money and power.

However, what's strange about all this is that - even though we expend a lot of time and effort on these two things - people barely study it or talk about it. Indeed, wealth and power are portrayed as negative qualities in everyday discourse - for example, asking about someone's salary or talking about your future financial goals is seen as rude or arrogant, stating the influence of government/big institutions is seen as a refusal to take self responsibility and openly stating that you like power/want to contest for a more powerful position marks you as a machiavellian type figure.

Why is that? Why is there a sense that keeping everyone silent (and thus, forcing an artificial sense that everyone is "equal") is more important than honest discourse which can lead to greater results? Surely, studying and talking about these things will give us a better understanding and, by extension, better ability to obtain both - what's not to like about that especially given the actual disproportionately in power and wealth in most societies?


Human beings have an instinctual drive for social acceptance, survival (money), and sexuality. These are written into the hard drive. These three instincts also tend to get way out of balance and if you see people doing terrible things it can almost always be reduced to one or more of these three instincts.

The reason these ambitions are commonly spoken down upon is because our western intellectual traditions and religious traditions have correctly observed over countless generations that pain and suffering are often inflicted upon others when these instincts become ends to themselves rather than a means to and end.

It has been correctly observed that none of these three instincts alone, nor all of them together can bring a person happiness and that unhappy people who are ignorant of this fact seek after more and more stepping all over other human beings and neglecting other human beings in the process.

The tendency for these instincts to be out of balance and cause harm is almost universal in all people. You never find anyone who is not out of balance in some way here, and that is not causing harm somewhere in life because of it.
 
Taking karate as a youngster taught me honesty and integrity. For that reason, I cannot obtain UNLIMITED POWER!!!!!
 
Why don't we talk about power and money when both clearly matters?

Most of us spend the majority of our waking moments trying to get more money or power.

However, what's strange about all this is that - even though we expend a lot of time and effort on these two things - people barely study it or talk about it.

Why is that? Why is there a sense that keeping everyone silent (and thus, forcing an artificial sense that everyone is "equal") is more important than honest discourse which can lead to greater results?
Because power and money would come second to health, happiness, and love. If I could choose, I would pick the latter. I'm sure you have read about all the rich and powerful people who are unhappy with their lives. Shit marriages and shit friends. Many are sick and all the money in the world will not save them. Do you think world leaders live a happy life? It is a daily grind of trying to solve issues, headaches, and dealing with stress. In the end, people don't care about your wealth and power, they are concerned about their situation not yours.

I have found trough traveling the world that poor people are a lot happier than rich people. They have simpler lives that revolves around family. As long as they have enough food and are in good health. Faith seems to be a big part of the equation...
 
I give this thread a D-. If i catch any heat, its going to an F.
 
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