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buttercat [TotalFark]  
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2018-09-23 8:00:47 PM  
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2018-09-23 8:04:11 PM  
Why would you want to? Pessimism is good.  Cynicism is even better.
 
2018-09-23 9:16:03 PM  
I could probably count on one hand the times I've been truly pessimistic. It's not in my nature.
 
2018-09-23 9:59:12 PM  
Is expecting the worst of people pessimism or just realism?
 
2018-09-23 10:00:48 PM  
Puhlease....
 
SwiftFox  
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2018-09-23 10:01:47 PM  
I'm a pessimist, but I'm pretty sure I can still manage to pull it off.
 
2018-09-23 10:02:08 PM  
my super power is that i'm lucky. everything always works out for me. maybe it's because i'm white and very good looking. who knows...
 
macadamnut  
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2018-09-23 10:05:14 PM  
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2018-09-23 10:05:48 PM  
 
2018-09-23 10:06:31 PM  
If you're a pessimist, you're never disappointed- you're either right, or pleasantly surprised. I'll take win-or-tie over win-or-be-devastated every time, even if the price is being bitter, since that seems to be the norm now.
 
chawco  
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2018-09-23 10:09:39 PM  
I am naturally optimistic, it's just that the world hates optimism and keeps trying to bring my positivity into dust under the boot of constraint grinding obstacles, failures, obstenen, and the cruelty of others.

But it's ok, I'll be fine.
 
2018-09-23 10:11:59 PM  
I'm starting to believe in Cosmic Irony. If you say "that never happens to me" you are challenging the cosmos to do it to you.

Recently, I boasted that I had done two days work, and had a free Tuesday after getting my work done on Monday. I proceeded to slip in the shower, then lost two days recuperating from a bruised rib.

About two years ago, I commented how xmas eve was a sober holiday, even if it cramped my routine. An hour later, a drunk driver murdered my 70 day old truck. It was safely parked in my favorite parking space.

On 9/11, I was in time out due to some perjury against me. I was reading Dale Brown's Storming Heaven. Between that book and a few hundred omens, you know what happened.
 
MBooda  
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2018-09-23 10:18:34 PM  
Old news.
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2018-09-23 10:20:53 PM  
It always cracks me up when commentators speak for the evolutionary process with any sense of authority.

Natural selection is not logical and cannot be easily explained like the thought process of someone's uncle. It is chaotic and is encompassed by a general theory.

One could just as easily argue brains are naturally optimistic because that's what it takes to survive an Ice Age Winter.
 
2018-09-23 10:21:14 PM  
Oh, whats the use?
It will never work.
 
2018-09-23 10:21:41 PM  
Always expect the worst, that way you're never disappointed and occassionally pleasantly surprised.
 
Kirzania  
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2018-09-23 10:27:24 PM  

MBooda: Old news.
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I recently listened to the SYSK podcast about lobotomies.
Just terrifying.
 
2018-09-23 10:28:41 PM  
My brain is definitely wired for optimism. You guys keep telling me my brain is half empty, but I see it as half full.
 
2018-09-23 10:29:02 PM  
You need to balance your pessimism and optimism. There's an old proverb here, plan for the worst and the best takes care of itself. That takes a million different tracks. Perhaps learn denistry instead of counting on becoming a rock star.  You might become a rock star, but you can always find work in dentistry.
 
guestguy  
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2018-09-23 10:33:59 PM  
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2018-09-23 10:35:05 PM  

fragMasterFlash: Rewiring your brain is easy. Just don't expect the results to be enjoyable (NSFW)


At first I thought you meant the greatest brain rewiring of all time where Al Jourgenson went from this enjoyable music...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9AZjaRmjss

to the horror show genre in your link.
 
2018-09-23 10:39:02 PM  
One time, I thought it might be nice to have a pessimist convention. Organize it, have fun activities and speakers, get it to go viral on YouTube, etc.

Then I figured, nah, no one would show up.
 
2018-09-23 10:42:38 PM  

wildcardjack: I'm starting to believe in Cosmic Irony. If you say "that never happens to me" you are challenging the cosmos to do it to you.

Recently, I boasted that I had done two days work, and had a free Tuesday after getting my work done on Monday. I proceeded to slip in the shower, then lost two days recuperating from a bruised rib.

About two years ago, I commented how xmas eve was a sober holiday, even if it cramped my routine. An hour later, a drunk driver murdered my 70 day old truck. It was safely parked in my favorite parking space.

On 9/11, I was in time out due to some perjury against me. I was reading Dale Brown's Storming Heaven. Between that book and a few hundred omens, you know what happened.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/06/09/he-returned-a-bottle-of-orange-juice-and-picked-up-a-winning-315-million-lottery-ticket/?utm_term=.13af6c61d57b

I also occasionally return things to the grocery store, or make other, random, unscheduled stops to grab one random thing or another, and this NEVER happens to me.
 
macadamnut  
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2018-09-23 10:42:55 PM  

Kirzania: MBooda: Old news.
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I recently listened to the SYSK podcast about lobotomies.
Just terrifying.


I remember a PBS doc about it. The quack doctor who stayed just ahead of the investigators, rushing to do as many quickie lobotomies as he could before they shut him down, was a real piece of work. Here he is: Walter Jackson Freeman. Ice pick and a hammer, $25 a pop - creepy shiat indeed.
 
UsikFark  
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2018-09-23 10:47:25 PM  

Madman drummers bummers: One time, I thought it might be nice to have a pessimist convention. Organize it, have fun activities and speakers, get it to go viral on YouTube, etc.

Then I figured, nah, no one would show up.


Fun activities and pessimists don't mix. One of my relatives recently had a girl, and from what I can tell, you're born optimistic but once you're an adult (well, a parent) you're pessimistic. I can't say how many times I've heard "stop that or else you'll break it / hurt yourself" when the kid is clearly enjoying themselves. It makes me want to say "look at how happy she is, let her be" but I'm sure I just don't understand...
 
2018-09-23 10:49:06 PM  
I prefer the bottle in front of me to the frontal lobotomy...
 
2018-09-23 10:49:36 PM  

UsikFark: Madman drummers bummers: One time, I thought it might be nice to have a pessimist convention. Organize it, have fun activities and speakers, get it to go viral on YouTube, etc.

Then I figured, nah, no one would show up.

Fun activities and pessimists don't mix. One of my relatives recently had a girl, and from what I can tell, you're born optimistic but once you're an adult (well, a parent) you're pessimistic. I can't say how many times I've heard "stop that or else you'll break it / hurt yourself" when the kid is clearly enjoying themselves. It makes me want to say "look at how happy she is, let her be" but I'm sure I just don't understand...


We pessimists have merely redefined the word "fun." For instance, schadenfreude is fun.
 
2018-09-23 10:51:49 PM  

macadamnut: Kirzania: MBooda: Old news.
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I recently listened to the SYSK podcast about lobotomies.
Just terrifying.

I remember a PBS doc about it. The quack doctor who stayed just ahead of the investigators, rushing to do as many quickie lobotomies as he could before they shut him down, was a real piece of work. Here he is: Walter Jackson Freeman. Ice pick and a hammer, $25 a pop - creepy shiat indeed.


Oh, I'm sure you're exaggerat...

After experimenting with novel ways of performing these brain surgeries, Freeman formulated a new procedure called the transorbital lobotomy.[6] This new procedure became known as the "icepick" lobotomy and was performed by inserting a metal pick into the corner of each eye-socket, hammering it through the thin bone there with a mallet, and moving it back and forth, severing the connections to the prefrontal cortex in the frontal lobes of the brain.[8] He performed the transorbital lobotomy surgery for the first time in Washington D.C. on a housewife named Sallie Ellen Ionesco.[6] This transorbital lobotomy method did not require a neurosurgeon and could be performed outside of an operating room without the use of anesthesia by using electroconvulsive therapy to induce seizure.[8]

WAT
 
UsikFark  
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2018-09-23 11:05:54 PM  

grinding_journalist: macadamnut: Kirzania: MBooda: Old news.
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I recently listened to the SYSK podcast about lobotomies.
Just terrifying.

I remember a PBS doc about it. The quack doctor who stayed just ahead of the investigators, rushing to do as many quickie lobotomies as he could before they shut him down, was a real piece of work. Here he is: Walter Jackson Freeman. Ice pick and a hammer, $25 a pop - creepy shiat indeed.

Oh, I'm sure you're exaggerat...

After experimenting with novel ways of performing these brain surgeries, Freeman formulated a new procedure called the transorbital lobotomy.[6] This new procedure became known as the "icepick" lobotomy and was performed by inserting a metal pick into the corner of each eye-socket, hammering it through the thin bone there with a mallet, and moving it back and forth, severing the connections to the prefrontal cortex in the frontal lobes of the brain.[8] He performed the transorbital lobotomy surgery for the first time in Washington D.C. on a housewife named Sallie Ellen Ionesco.[6] This transorbital lobotomy method did not require a neurosurgeon and could be performed outside of an operating room without the use of anesthesia by using electroconvulsive therapy to induce seizure.[8]

WAT


Oh, it used to be worse. They used to do it while you were awake and would stop cutting brain tissue only when the patient stopped struggling. Instead of the "minor" surgery of poking the pick through the thin bone of the orbit, they would remove some of your skull. I can't find a picture of it, but some of the patients not only had mental scars, but dents near their temples from where the skull was missing. Lobotomies largely went away when doctors started using antipsychotics, which had/have their own permanent risks. Even ECT is pretty rare these days.
 
macadamnut  
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2018-09-23 11:16:03 PM  

grinding_journalist: macadamnut: Kirzania: MBooda: Old news.
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I recently listened to the SYSK podcast about lobotomies.
Just terrifying.

I remember a PBS doc about it. The quack doctor who stayed just ahead of the investigators, rushing to do as many quickie lobotomies as he could before they shut him down, was a real piece of work. Here he is: Walter Jackson Freeman. Ice pick and a hammer, $25 a pop - creepy shiat indeed.

Oh, I'm sure you're exaggerat...

After experimenting with novel ways of performing these brain surgeries, Freeman formulated a new procedure called the transorbital lobotomy.[6] This new procedure became known as the "icepick" lobotomy and was performed by inserting a metal pick into the corner of each eye-socket, hammering it through the thin bone there with a mallet, and moving it back and forth, severing the connections to the prefrontal cortex in the frontal lobes of the brain.[8] He performed the transorbital lobotomy surgery for the first time in Washington D.C. on a housewife named Sallie Ellen Ionesco.[6] This transorbital lobotomy method did not require a neurosurgeon and could be performed outside of an operating room without the use of anesthesia by using electroconvulsive therapy to induce seizure.[8]

WAT


Yeah, it was on American Experience. Lots of detail and still footage of grotty old asylums. Not that much fun to watch actually.
 
GodComplex  
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2018-09-23 11:34:16 PM  

grinding_journalist: macadamnut: Kirzania: MBooda: Old news.
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I recently listened to the SYSK podcast about lobotomies.
Just terrifying.

I remember a PBS doc about it. The quack doctor who stayed just ahead of the investigators, rushing to do as many quickie lobotomies as he could before they shut him down, was a real piece of work. Here he is: Walter Jackson Freeman. Ice pick and a hammer, $25 a pop - creepy shiat indeed.

Oh, I'm sure you're exaggerat...

After experimenting with novel ways of performing these brain surgeries, Freeman formulated a new procedure called the transorbital lobotomy.[6] This new procedure became known as the "icepick" lobotomy and was performed by inserting a metal pick into the corner of each eye-socket, hammering it through the thin bone there with a mallet, and moving it back and forth, severing the connections to the prefrontal cortex in the frontal lobes of the brain.[8] He performed the transorbital lobotomy surgery for the first time in Washington D.C. on a housewife named Sallie Ellen Ionesco.[6] This transorbital lobotomy method did not require a neurosurgeon and could be performed outside of an operating room without the use of anesthesia by using electroconvulsive therapy to induce seizure.[8]

WAT


I had a professor that said she had an 'emergency lobotomy kit.' Which amounted to an ice pick with different colored bands to tell you how deep you were going. Mental healthcare has changed quite a bit in the last 40 years.
 
2018-09-23 11:42:14 PM  

encephlavator: fragMasterFlash: Rewiring your brain is easy. Just don't expect the results to be enjoyable (NSFW)

At first I thought you meant the greatest brain rewiring of all time where Al Jourgenson went from this enjoyable music...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9AZjaRmjss

to the horror show genre in your link.


Even Al hates With Sympathy
 
rka  
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2018-09-23 11:49:16 PM  
Pessimists aren't bad all in all, they're just planning for all contingencies is the way I see them.

Cynics are the worse though. Suck the life out of everything. I don't know why so many people (online it feels) seem to pride themselves on cynicism.

"Remember, you cannot be both young and wise. Young people who pretend to be wise to the ways of the world are mostly just cynics. Cynicism masquerades as wisdom, but it is the farthest thing from it. Because cynics don't learn anything. Because cynicism is a self-imposed blindness, a rejection of the world because we are afraid it will hurt us or disappoint us. Cynics always say no. But saying "yes" begins things. Saying "yes" is how things grow. Saying "yes" leads to knowledge. "Yes" is for young people. So for as long as you have the strength to, say "yes'."
― Stephen Colbert

"Scratch the surface of most cynics and you find a frustrated idealist - someone who made the mistake of converting his ideals into expectations."
― Peter Senge
 
raatz01  
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2018-09-23 11:53:55 PM  
Why should I fix it? It's depressing but it's right. I don't think living in delusion is better. The real problem is not drinking yourself to death.
 
2018-09-24 12:02:36 AM  
Don't worry,
(Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh) be happy.

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2018-09-24 12:21:30 AM  

raatz01: Why should I fix it? It's depressing but it's right. I don't think living in delusion is better. The real problem is not drinking yourself to death.


That last sentence is too true.
 
2018-09-24 12:28:22 AM  
Evolution worked so hard to get us to the point of having thoughts and thinking about the risk/reward picture of possible future endeavors.  The pessimistic bias has been able to claw out an existence and superiority among mammals on this planet for at least 60k years of "cognitive thought".  And someone comes along and says, "You know what, you 'Selfish Gene', you should just get over yourself and this continuation of the species and take a vay-cay. You'll be replaced by 'The Hope Circuit'"

And nothing happens.  Not a thing.  What did anyone think was really going to happen?  Unicorn farts?

Pessimism is the realization that you might already have been dealt a losing set of cards and you should try to change that as early in the card game as possible.  If you discover that you already have the winning hand, nothing lost.  But if you do nothing and you have a shiaty hand, then you get what you deserve.
 
2018-09-24 12:37:45 AM  

chitownmike: encephlavator: fragMasterFlash: Rewiring your brain is easy. Just don't expect the results to be enjoyable (NSFW)

At first I thought you meant the greatest brain rewiring of all time where Al Jourgenson went from this enjoyable music...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=b9AZjaRmjss

to the horror show genre in your link.

Even Al hates With Sympathy


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chawco  
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2018-09-24 12:57:01 AM  

Moosedick Gladys Greengroin: Don't worry,
(Ooh, ooh ooh ooh oo-ooh ooh oo-ooh) be happy.

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The greatest song ever made.
 
stringbad [BareFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-09-24 12:58:23 AM  
I find this strangely encouraging:
No situation is so bad that it can't get worse.
 
2018-09-24 1:05:32 AM  
The optimist thinks we're living in the best of all possible worlds.
The pessimist fears that this is true.
 
2018-09-24 1:14:32 AM  

Madman drummers bummers: The optimist thinks we're living in the best of all possible worlds.
The pessimist fears that this is true.


No input from the realist?  I think I see what your problem is.
 
Fano  
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2018-09-24 1:40:33 AM  

FarkingStan: It always cracks me up when commentators speak for the evolutionary process with any sense of authority.

Natural selection is not logical and cannot be easily explained like the thought process of someone's uncle. It is chaotic and is encompassed by a general theory.

One could just as easily argue brains are naturally optimistic because that's what it takes to survive an Ice Age Winter.


Isn't it amazing how Evolutionary Theory always seems to support whatever hobby horse the writer supports? The glass isn't just half full, it's totally full of air molecules!
 
2018-09-24 1:48:02 AM  

MBooda: Old news.
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"Has anyone told you you're so much prettier when you smile?"
 
2018-09-24 1:55:27 AM  
Optimism and pessimism both have value.  You just have to be a realist to know when and where either one needs to be applied.
 
2018-09-24 2:06:41 AM  
Didn't RTFA but the answer is probably "drugs."
 
LewDux [OhFark]  
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2018-09-24 2:25:50 AM  
theaudience - Pessimist Is Never Disappointed
Youtube E0cuGn0F_-s
 
insain1  
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2018-09-24 4:09:04 AM  
I know that if you pizz in the wind you are going to get wet!
 
2018-09-24 4:14:17 AM  
Optimism is self-delusion and only ever leads to disappointment.
 
2018-09-24 4:57:43 AM  
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