Lambskincoat: Why would anyone admit to felony activity on a survey? Are these people stupid?

Well, they are at college to learn stuff, right? Learning from mistakes is still learning, right?

Prohibition of Cannabis lead directly to the Spice epidemic seen today.

Spice has actually killed people outright.

/END THE WAR ON PEOPLE

Madman drummers bummers: uttertosh: Prohibition of Cannabis lead directly to the Spice epidemic seen today.

Spice has actually killed people outright.

/END THE WAR ON PEOPLE

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Yeah, we can laugh at this meme, but in all seriousness now, synthesised cannabinoids are actually Anslinger's idea brought into reality. Actually proper addiction, psychosis, and just stopping short of supplying a jazznegro to rape you with every bag.

Google 'spice zombie video'.

jso2897: uttertosh: Madman drummers bummers: uttertosh: Prohibition of Cannabis lead directly to the Spice epidemic seen today.

Spice has actually killed people outright.

/END THE WAR ON PEOPLE

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Yeah, we can laugh at this meme, but in all seriousness now, synthesised cannabinoids are actually Anslinger's idea brought into reality. Actually proper addiction, psychosis, and just stopping short of supplying a jazznegro to rape you with every bag.

Google 'spice zombie video'.


No. There are no true synthetic cannabinoids available. "Synthetic Weed" products are mostly quasi legal MMDA derivatives - so called "bath salts" = they have no relation to any chemical found in the cannabis plant. Others are crude analogues that block THC receptors.
True Cannabinoids cannot be synthesized economically, and are not.
The THC analogues that are peddled as "Black Mamba" or whatever bear little relationship to anything ever found in any pot plant.
It's the equivalent of calling Methyl Alcohol "alcohol", and then saying "Drinking alcohol will drive you blind".
Well, sure it will. And consuming fake synthetic dope will make you sick.
None of it has anything to do with actual cannabis.

Not true. These are very much research chemicals created to be used as a legal source of study that requires no red-tape to be cut. They are very much cannabinoid receptor targeting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabinoids

ingo: uttertosh: jso2897: uttertosh: Madman drummers bummers: uttertosh: Prohibition of Cannabis lead directly to the Spice epidemic seen today.

Spice has actually killed people outright.

/END THE WAR ON PEOPLE

[img.fark.net image 465x254]

Yeah, we can laugh at this meme, but in all seriousness now, synthesised cannabinoids are actually Anslinger's idea brought into reality. Actually proper addiction, psychosis, and just stopping short of supplying a jazznegro to rape you with every bag.

Google 'spice zombie video'.


No. There are no true synthetic cannabinoids available. "Synthetic Weed" products are mostly quasi legal MMDA derivatives - so called "bath salts" = they have no relation to any chemical found in the cannabis plant. Others are crude analogues that block THC receptors.
True Cannabinoids cannot be synthesized economically, and are not.
The THC analogues that are peddled as "Black Mamba" or whatever bear little relationship to anything ever found in any pot plant.
It's the equivalent of calling Methyl Alcohol "alcohol", and then saying "Drinking alcohol will drive you blind".
Well, sure it will. And consuming fake synthetic dope will make you sick.
None of it has anything to do with actual cannabis.

Not true. These are very much research chemicals created to be used as a legal source of study that requires no red-tape to be cut. They are very much cannabinoid receptor targeting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_cannabinoids

Can they be synthesized economically?

Marinol is synthesised Delta-9THC, so I'll have to assume yes.

You mean that there are weed dealers in Oregon who are doing business with 18-20 year olds?  But that's illegal!  Oh my goodness.

Rogue Surf: cannabis sounds like a safer alternative to the totally legal alcohol alternative!

Not to the people who put out this study, at least if we're talking about trying to stay away from an opioid habit.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29997535/

"After propensity score matching for demographic variables, we found that the maximal self-exposure to cannabis and cocaine, but not to alcohol, was greater in volunteers with OD diagnoses, than in those without this diagnosis. Also, a multiple logistic regression detected that increasing self-exposure to cannabis and cocaine, but not alcohol, was a positive predictor of OD diagnosis. Conclusions/Importance: Increasing self-exposure to non-medical cannabis, as measured with a rapid dimensional instrument, was a predictor of greater odds of opioid dependence diagnosis, in propensity score-matched samples."

Rogue Surf: we need safer alternatives to tomacco and booze

See above.  Where did you get the idea that weed is such a "safer alternative"?

From the complete lack of deaths caused by cannabis in comparison to the others.

Easy peasy. Next

But don't let me spoil your mythological narrative with an anecdote about a real person

Because you always do this about others stories about how cannabis therapy has helped them

/NOT!!

But don't let me spoil your mythological narrative with an anecdote about a real person

Because you always do this about others stories about how cannabis therapy has helped them

/NOT!!

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Trolls thrive on using talking points - arguments that appear to be reasonable but are actually lies and propaganda packaged into a short, easy to understand statement.

Example: Trump's current policy on immigrants and their kids - a very emotive topic.

Trolls will pile in with statements such as 'it's illegal to cross the border' and 'Obama did it too' as a way to derail the conversation.

Debunking these talking points usually requires a long, carefully worded post, along with citations to multiple websites. It's made harder when the troll keeps moving the goalposts, claiming that's not what they meant, or brings up a third or fourth talking point. Proving them wrong (to the spectators, the troll never admits they're wrong), can be done, but it's an exhausting, time-consuming task.

Eventually spectators to the debate will realise that the troll is either simply wrong, or that they're a troll. But the troll has used a few minutes of their time having fun, whilst those debating him have wasted hours of their life over multiple threads, fighting the same arguments over and over.

Pointing out that a poster has used the same argument in an earlier thread, and backed down after being proved wrong, is somehow against the rules - or at least close enough that a Mod might delete the post, if it's reported.

I stand by my assertion that, tirobaka Cannabevets, is 100% a troll on the subject of Cannabinois, and the dangers surrounding taking them.

I await my ban.

tirob: .

I doubt that tomatoes were a factor :-).  They aren't particularly psychoactive; nobody consumes them to get high.
.

But the hot cousin of tomatoes are very much taken 'to get high'

I even grow these, with the explicitreason of 'getting high' from them. For real.

/capsaicin psychosis is VERY real with the right dosage. Trust me.

tirob: Except for those people killed in butane hash oil fires, the ones run down by drivers high on weed, the ones killed in bad weed deals

So... Nothing actually deadly about the cannabis itself, just the illegal crimes that were already surrounding the illegal sale.

Glad you cleared thatup for us.

tirob: uttertosh: From the complete lack of deaths caused by cannabis

Except for those people killed in butane hash oil fires, the ones run down by drivers high on weed, the ones killed in bad weed deals--they're still going on, even in the legal at retail states--and, according to the study I put up that you conspicuously and conveniently ignored, the people who started on weed and subsequently got themselves addicted to opioids.

Here's the study again so that you can ignore it again :  https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29997535/

But keep on ignoring evidence and lying your ass off, friend.  It helps the cause.

Study completely ignores: caffiene; nicotine; HFCS; and alcohol.

All of those have a FAR higher index of physical and psychological dependency than cannabinoids do.

For brevity: Fark user tirob is, in my humble opinion, a TROLL, as defined in my post in this thread.

Rogue Surf: uttertosh: tirob: .

I doubt that tomatoes were a factor :-).  They aren't particularly psychoactive; nobody consumes them to get high.
.

But the hot cousin of tomatoes are very much taken 'to get high'

I even grow these, with the explicitreason of 'getting high' from them. For real.

/capsaicin psychosis is VERY real with the right dosage. Trust me.

Yes, I'm totally addicted to eating Chile "Red, Green or Christmas" is always asked here in New Mexico.  I prefer Hatch and Lemitar  and the season is about to start (along with trimming season).  As to that paid DEA shill - he is worse than any troll in all pot threads!

I am growing Basket of Fire, Hinkel Hatz, Jamaicain Bell, and Trinidad and Tobago Scorpions, this year - all levels of hot  from snack fruit, to the kinda fruit that i use 1 for an 8 portion Chilli-of-compete-upperbody-FIRE.

/T&T Scorpions have such a beautifully tropical taste
//for the 3.5s befire the 3.5h of SEARING F*KING AGONY
\*hallucinations*

tirob: uttertosh: Study completely ignores: caffiene; nicotine; HFCS; and alcohol

The study--here it is again. because you patently didn't read it--explicitly compares weed to alcohol in the context of predictors for subsequent opioid abuse.  Third time's a charm:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29997535/

"Also, a multiple logistic regression detected that increasing self-exposure to cannabis and cocaine, but not alcohol, was a positive predictor of OD diagnosis."

uttertosh: Nothing actually deadly about the cannabis itself, just the illegal crimes that were already surrounding the illegal sale.

I know it's bloody useless to cite articles for you, but here's one about weed-related murders in Colorado since legalization at retail:

http://www.westword.com/news/marijuana-related-homicides-in-colorado-since-legalization-9345285

No, nothing deadly about the cannabis itself.  It doesn't cause crime, it only *inspires* crime.

Trolls thrive on using talking points - arguments that appear to be reasonable but are actually lies and propaganda packaged into a short, easy to understand statement.

Example: Trump's current policy on immigrants and their kids - a very emotive topic.

Trolls will pile in with statements such as 'it's illegal to cross the border' and 'Obama did it too' as a way to derail the conversation.

Debunking these talking points usually requires a long, carefully worded post, along with citations to multiple websites. It's made harder when the troll keeps moving the goalposts, claiming that's not what they meant, or brings up a third or fourth talking point. Proving them wrong (to the spectators, the troll never admits they're wrong), can be done, but it's an exhausting, time-consuming task.

Eventually spectators to the debate will realise that the troll is either simply wrong, or that they're a troll. But the troll has used a few minutes of their time having fun, whilst those debating him have wasted hours of their life over multiple threads, fighting the same arguments over and over.

Pointing out that a poster has used the same argument in an earlier thread, and backed down after being proved wrong, is somehow against the rules - or at least close enough that a Mod might delete the post, if it's reported.

I have been banninated for less than I just posted about tirob

He is a troll...

ingo: tirob: ingo: Predictor, not cause.

Yes.

ingo: In other words, people who are unable to use cannabis in moderation are more likely to develop opioid addiction.

tirob: If you're trying to draw a parallel to consumption of alcohol in moderation, it doesn't exist.  Weed--used nonmedically, anyway--is supposed to be consumed until you get high; there's no equivalent in the weed culture of stopping consumption of alcohol before you get drunk.

Nonsense. People do, in fact, stop at one or two or three hits in order to control how high they get.

ingo: If cannabis did not exist they would still be as likely to develop OD

tirob: We don't know this for sure.

Opium dens resulted in opium addicts long before weed was common.

ingo: You're trying to turn the study into a proof of the Nixon administration's "gateway drug" myth

tirob: Nobody has ever proved that the gateway hypothesis is a "myth."  The study is evidence in favor of the hypothesis.

Nobody has proved the gateway hypothesis.  The study is not designed to do show that cannabis leads to opioids.  It's looking at heavy cannabis usage as a predictor of future OD, not that cannabis causes OD,

The utility of this study is that it can help identify people at potential risk before they become opioid dependent.  It's easier to help them before they become addicted.

ingo: How many weed related murders were there before legalization?

tirob: I don't know.  More than one, probably.

Although I tend to agree, there seems to be no data.  Someone would have to go through a years crime reports and identify each one as weed related or not.  That also requires distinguishing between crimes where someone was simply in possession vs. crimes where the weed was the immediate cause of assault or worse.

ingo: There's no data showing that weed related murders have gone up.

tirob:  There's no data showing that weed related crime has decreased in CO since legalization.

Right.  There's no long-term data for weed related crime like there is for crime in general, so you can't draw inferences, merely concern troll.

And even the 'predictor' part is on a shaky nail.

Cannabis ABUSE has *no* point where the user goes through the kind of withdrawal symptoms that even ALCOHOL produces. (and as a former alcoholic, and benzo addict, I'd like to just say: CANNABIS IS NOT ADDICTIVE ATALL IN THE SAME WAY)

/sorry for the shouting