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2018-03-24 8:36:31 AM  
France was in mourning on Saturday for a French security officer who died from gunshot wounds after voluntarily taking the place of a female hostage during a supermarket siege by an Islamist militant.

Yeah, there are often silly arguments on Fark about whether the hero tag is justified; I can see no such argument myself in this case.
 
Pocket Ninja [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 8:43:14 AM  
I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Arnaud Beltrame sounds like a man who led quite the heroic life, though. I'm torn between something between relief that he didn't have a family who would now be devastated by his loss, and sadness about the same.
 
jso2897 [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:15:41 AM  

iron de havilland: France was in mourning on Saturday for a French security officer who died from gunshot wounds after voluntarily taking the place of a female hostage during a supermarket siege by an Islamist militant.

Yeah, there are often silly arguments on Fark about whether the hero tag is justified; I can see no such argument myself in this case.


Yeah, actually I could have done without the jokey headline, too - but you can't have everything.
 
g.fro  
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2018-03-24 9:16:16 AM  
You headline is bad and you should feel bad.
 
2018-03-24 9:17:13 AM  
Gendamn
 
stonelotus  
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2018-03-24 9:17:51 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Arnaud Beltrame sounds like a man who led quite the heroic life, though. I'm torn between something between relief that he didn't have a family who would now be devastated by his loss, and sadness about the same.


1. For the hostage he took the place of to have been a male, he'd have had to been elderly or disabled.  What hostage taker would trade an able-bodied male for an able-bodied male?

2. I believe I read, in another article, that Beltrame's mother was none-too-thrilled at the news of his passing.
 
Inertiaman  
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2018-03-24 9:22:50 AM  
Protip subby, if you're going to attempt really crass black humour, make sure you get the humour part down.
 
Harlee [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:24:43 AM  

iron de havilland: France was in mourning on Saturday for a French security officer who died from gunshot wounds after voluntarily taking the place of a female hostage during a supermarket siege by an Islamist militant.

Yeah, there are often silly arguments on Fark about whether the hero tag is justified; I can see no such argument myself in this case.


Roided-up American tough-guy police confused and terrified by the bar that has been set (and which will be ignored).
 
2018-03-24 9:24:47 AM  
A tag appropriately applied.
 
2018-03-24 9:26:14 AM  
I was going to make a joke about him finding a way to heroically surrender but I think I shall pass on that for now.
 
2018-03-24 9:29:15 AM  
I had no idea french guys could be heroic.
 
jso2897 [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:29:18 AM  

winedrinkingman: I was going to make a joke about him finding a way to heroically surrender but I think I shall pass on that for now.


After the recent performances of U.S. law enforcement during a terror attack, we probably shouldn't make those jokes again at any point in time.
 
Kit Fister [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:30:28 AM  

amyldoanitrite: Gendamn


Jean Claude Gendamn
 
jaytkay [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:35:27 AM  
President Macron did not rush in? Trump would have. He said so.
 
Puffyshirt  
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2018-03-24 9:37:07 AM  
What genuine bravery.

We should probably retire the surrender monkeys joke. The response by the French police to these jihadist death cults means it couldn't be more inaccurate.
 
Cache  
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2018-03-24 9:41:41 AM  

Puffyshirt: What genuine bravery.
We should probably retire the surrender monkeys joke. The response by the French police to these jihadist death cults means it couldn't be more inaccurate.


Agreed. Compare the way the French react to their country's enemies versus the way Republicans do.
 
Dork Gently  
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2018-03-24 9:42:31 AM  

Pocket Ninja: Arnaud Beltrame sounds like a man who led quite the heroic life, though. I'm torn between something between relief that he didn't have a family who would now be devastated by his loss, and sadness about the same.


Balancing his lack of partner or children, there are now 60+ million French (and countless others outside France) who will remember him with gratitude and be glad for whatever affiliation they have with him.
 
2018-03-24 9:48:06 AM  

Dork Gently: Pocket Ninja: Arnaud Beltrame sounds like a man who led quite the heroic life, though. I'm torn between something between relief that he didn't have a family who would now be devastated by his loss, and sadness about the same.

Balancing his lack of partner or children, there are now 60+ million French (and countless others outside France) who will remember him with gratitude and be glad for whatever affiliation they have with him.


TFA said he is married.
Your point still stands.
 
Jim_Callahan  
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2018-03-24 9:50:56 AM  

Puffyshirt: What genuine bravery.

We should probably retire the surrender monkeys joke. The response by the French police to these jihadist death cults means it couldn't be more inaccurate.


It wasn't all that accurate in the first place, part of what makes the meme funny is how bald-facedly bullshiat it is with even a cursory knowledge of world or even US history.

Its basically in the same category ad Chuck Norris being a badass (where most of the joke is how mild-mannered Norris is and how incredibly poorly suited he was for all the tough-guy action roled he got by being a stunt guy).
 
2018-03-24 9:52:03 AM  

testosteronephobe: TFA said he is married.


Hm, you're right, it does. The first article I'd read about him this morning said otherwise.
 
jso2897 [TotalFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:53:35 AM  

Cache: Puffyshirt: What genuine bravery.
We should probably retire the surrender monkeys joke. The response by the French police to these jihadist death cults means it couldn't be more inaccurate.

Agreed. Compare the way the French react to their country's enemies versus the way Republicans do.


Well, it's kind of a tough spot to be in, when the terrorists are your own supporters.
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2018-03-24 9:53:40 AM  

some_beer_drinker: I had no idea french guys could be heroic.


Maybe you should read up on European history of the second millennium, during much of which the French army was the best-trained in the world.
 
2018-03-24 9:54:19 AM  
 
2018-03-24 9:54:21 AM  

testosteronephobe: Dork Gently: Pocket Ninja: Arnaud Beltrame sounds like a man who led quite the heroic life, though. I'm torn between something between relief that he didn't have a family who would now be devastated by his loss, and sadness about the same.

Balancing his lack of partner or children, there are now 60+ million French (and countless others outside France) who will remember him with gratitude and be glad for whatever affiliation they have with him.

TFA said he is married.
Your point still stands.


That'll teach me to read TFA and be more careful in making conclusions from short comments.  Thanks for the correction.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:55:34 AM  
These days the word "Hero" is thrown around without much meaning. Every cop is a hero. Every soldier is a hero. Every teacher is a hero.

This is a case where HERO is truly the correct word.

God's speed brave hero.
 
SpectroBoy [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 9:57:08 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?


Exactly so.
Women and children first!
Men go to war.
Won't someone think of the children!

There is nobody lower on the value totem pole than "adult male"
 
2018-03-24 9:57:32 AM  
Very, very brave man. The world lost a true hero.

I will say I feel bad for the female hostage. How do you live up to that sacrifice?
 
Abox  
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2018-03-24 9:59:29 AM  

lobotomy survivor: some_beer_drinker: I had no idea french guys could be heroic.

Maybe you should read up on European history of the second millennium, during much of which the French army was the best-trained in the world.


And US history for that matter.
 
2018-03-24 10:07:40 AM  

SpectroBoy: Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Exactly so.
Women and children first!
Men go to war.
Won't someone think of the children!

There is nobody lower on the value totem pole than "adult male"


Yeah, adult males have it so hard. *eyeroll*

On a tangent: I think I heard it on Qi, but one of the officers on the Titanic apparently got the Birkenhead Drill a bit wrong, and misunderstood it as being women and children only, not women and children first. So, some of her lifeboats were despatched with empty seats.
 
2018-03-24 10:09:07 AM  
RIP brave dude.
 You're away from all the assholes now.
 
g.fro  
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2018-03-24 10:12:29 AM  

Abox: lobotomy survivor: some_beer_drinker: I had no idea french guys could be heroic.

Maybe you should read up on European history of the second millennium, during much of which the French army was the best-trained in the world.

And US history for that matter.


Well, since we wouldn't have won our independence without them, yeah.

I really blame the Brits for the "French are cowards" meme.  Yes, of course the English and the French have always hated each other, and yes, France fell pretty quickly to the Germans in 1940. But traditionally, we were always better friends with the French. WWI was framed as helping France defend herself and honoring an old alliance ("Lafayette, we are here!") and the AEF worked closer with the French Army than the British. But then WWII comes along, France gets knocked out early, and a few million Americans spend a couple years hanging out in Britain, hearing all the jokes. After the war de Gualle didn't help much with his seeming anti-Americanism and such, but looking at what has become of the UK with her "special relationship", it's hard to say he was wrong.
 
2018-03-24 10:13:21 AM  
Wow. I think Clint Eastwood just found his next movie.
 
2018-03-24 10:15:05 AM  

SpectroBoy: Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Exactly so.
Women and children first!
Men go to war.
Won't someone think of the children!

There is nobody lower on the value totem pole than "adult male"


Careful, your trilby is showing

You know what courage is, it's stepping up when needed damned the consequences to one self, and it's not limited to men, or adults, so get over it.
 
mrlewish  
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2018-03-24 10:19:03 AM  

SpectroBoy: Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Exactly so.
Women and children first!
Men go to war.
Won't someone think of the children!

There is nobody lower on the value totem pole than "adult male"


Maybe this makes up for the fact the the vast majority of terrorist and hostage takers and war makers are male? But yes.. maybe the idea of switching hostages also gives the opportunity of having a trained police officer on the inside.
 
SpeedyBB  
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2018-03-24 10:21:55 AM  

Abox: lobotomy survivor: some_beer_drinker: I had no idea french guys could be heroic.

Maybe you should read up on European history of the second millennium, during much of which the French army was the best-trained in the world.

And US history for that matter.


At one point American schoolchildren were taught to recite

"Forgive us Lord if we forget
the sacred sword of Lafayette"

The French were instrumental in getting the American revolutionaries out from under the British yoke.
As were the Germans (and a nod and a wink to that gay German General who joined in).
 
2018-03-24 10:27:02 AM  
That is definitely a farking hero. For once in my life, I have nothing snarky to say.
 
2018-03-24 10:27:15 AM  

SpectroBoy: Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Exactly so.
Women and children first!
Men go to war.
Won't someone think of the children!

There is nobody lower on the value totem pole than "adult male"


Awesome.  As a male, I totally hope the captain of any ship I travel on shares your brave views.

Screw that shiat about "saving the women and children".  I want my place on the lifeboat!
 
2018-03-24 10:28:39 AM  

Private_Citizen: Very, very brave man. The world lost a true hero.

I will say I feel bad for the female hostage. How do you live up to that sacrifice?


Live one's life well, and do good things for others.
 
edmo [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 10:32:10 AM  

Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Arnaud Beltrame sounds like a man who led quite the heroic life, though. I'm torn between something between relief that he didn't have a family who would now be devastated by his loss, and sadness about the same.


In other countries, other cultures, such a gesture is far more significant than it is in the USA these days.
 
omg bbq [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 10:32:33 AM  

iron de havilland: France was in mourning on Saturday for a French security officer who died from gunshot wounds after voluntarily taking the place of a female hostage during a supermarket siege by an Islamist militant.

Yeah, there are often silly arguments on Fark about whether the hero tag is justified; I can see no such argument myself in this case.


Dude walked into the lion's den.

Godspeed you farking hero.
 
omg bbq [OhFark]  
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2018-03-24 10:34:04 AM  
Also, I would gladly trade subby for some hostages.
 
2018-03-24 10:34:29 AM  

SpectroBoy: Pocket Ninja: I do find it somewhat curious that every story about this I've seen so far feels the need to stress that the hostage was female, as if this fact somehow makes his sacrifice more noble. Would he be as praiseworthy if the hostage had been male?

Exactly so.
Women and children first!
Men go to war.
Won't someone think of the children!

There is nobody lower on the value totem pole than "adult male"


Aww...whatsa matter, boo-boo, "triggered"?
 
2018-03-24 10:40:14 AM  
Ta jour de gloire est arrive!


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Repose en Paix
 
TheLopper  
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2018-03-24 10:42:43 AM  

Private_Citizen: Very, very brave man. The world lost a true hero.

I will say I feel bad for the female hostage. How do you live up to that sacrifice?


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2018-03-24 10:45:29 AM  

Puffyshirt: What genuine bravery.

We should probably retire the surrender monkeys joke. The response by the French police to these jihadist death cults means it couldn't be more inaccurate.


Ya the WW2 surrender monkey joke had to do with the fact that the were whipped hard by the first engagement in '40 and having another "lost generation" was not something anybody wanted.

France hadn't lost many wars other than WW1 and 1812 (it took 7 coalitions and a 2nd round when Napoleon came back)...
 
g.fro  
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2018-03-24 10:46:04 AM  

johnny_vegas: Ta jour de gloire est arrive!


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Repose en Paix


I believe the proper epitaph for such a hero
 is:

Mort pour la France.
 
2018-03-24 10:52:05 AM  

g.fro: Abox: lobotomy survivor: some_beer_drinker: I had no idea french guys could be heroic.

Maybe you should read up on European history of the second millennium, during much of which the French army was the best-trained in the world.

And US history for that matter.

Well, since we wouldn't have won our independence without them, yeah.

I really blame the Brits for the "French are cowards" meme.  Yes, of course the English and the French have always hated each other, and yes, France fell pretty quickly to the Germans in 1940. But traditionally, we were always better friends with the French. WWI was framed as helping France defend herself and honoring an old alliance ("Lafayette, we are here!") and the AEF worked closer with the French Army than the British. But then WWII comes along, France gets knocked out early, and a few million Americans spend a couple years hanging out in Britain, hearing all the jokes. After the war de Gualle didn't help much with his seeming anti-Americanism and such, but looking at what has become of the UK with her "special relationship", it's hard to say he was wrong.


Still cheese-eating frogs though?
 
g.fro  
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2018-03-24 11:00:19 AM  

Richard Saunders: g.fro: Abox: lobotomy survivor: some_beer_drinker: I had no idea french guys could be heroic.

Maybe you should read up on European history of the second millennium, during much of which the French army was the best-trained in the world.

And US history for that matter.

Well, since we wouldn't have won our independence without them, yeah.

I really blame the Brits for the "French are cowards" meme.  Yes, of course the English and the French have always hated each other, and yes, France fell pretty quickly to the Germans in 1940. But traditionally, we were always better friends with the French. WWI was framed as helping France defend herself and honoring an old alliance ("Lafayette, we are here!") and the AEF worked closer with the French Army than the British. But then WWII comes along, France gets knocked out early, and a few million Americans spend a couple years hanging out in Britain, hearing all the jokes. After the war de Gualle didn't help much with his seeming anti-Americanism and such, but looking at what has become of the UK with her "special relationship", it's hard to say he was wrong.

Still cheese-eating frogs though?


Who doesn't like cheese?
 
2018-03-24 11:04:02 AM  
A hero is someone whose actions change the outcome of an event positively.

A victim is someone who is part of a tragic outcome.

Americans usually get this the wrong way around.
 
ohdontbeshy  
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2018-03-24 11:11:23 AM  

I'm an excellent driver: A hero is someone whose actions change the outcome of an event positively.

A victim is someone who is part of a tragic outcome.

Americans usually get this the wrong way around.


A hero is someone who puts themself in harms way in order to better a situation based on their principles. The outcome is irrelevant. This guy's great-great-great grandkids wouldn't be able to pay a tab at my restaurant.
 
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