Opinion Police officers and Young Black males....

Jack Handy jr

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So why did the Young man in Minnesota get shot?


It’s not as easily answered a question as the video shows. Should the cop have made such an egregious mistake? Of course not. And She'll have to pay a hard price for that mistake. And as an LEO we have to learn from the last few years of these chaotic interactions. My fellow LEO’s as agents of the government be it local, state, or Fed should be the consummate professionals and be prepared to deal with non-compliant civilians and the consequences there of. That said… The cop didn’t kill that young man…his father did.


I started off as a Cop before going Fed many years ago. And what I’ve noticed particularly in dealing with young inner-city African American men who don’t have fathers is that many (not all) lack something called self-discipline and more importantly in Police encounters something you need called impulse control. Impulse control and self-discipline are autonomous character traits that are ingrained typically by a father when a male is a young boy.
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When you know if you do something stupid, you’re going to get your ass whipped by your dad when he gets home. I don’t want to be too pretentious in regard to this young man who was killed…maybe he had a great dad. I’m just speaking from my experience in dealing with inner city black communities most do not have their biological father at home instilling discipline, basic manners, and the impulse control that comes with the fear that if you don’t control your actions and emotions there will be hell to pay from loving parents.



So a cursory look into this disaster of a situation in Minnesota is that you have a young man who was previously caught carrying a gun, he gets pulled over quite possibly for driving while black yes it’s real, there are a lot of overt, and closeted racist throughout our nations law Enforcement Agencies. That said, most of us (the vast majority) are not badge heavy, blood thirsty bullies looking to shoot a black man when we go to work.


Back to what I saw. The cops find out his tag is expired, they run him, find out that he has an outstanding warrant…for those that may not know even if you get a speeding ticket, or too many parking tickets and you fail to appear in court or you fail to pay you will have a bench warrant issued for your arrest. So months down the road if you get pulled over you will be placed under arrest. This young man who seemingly has no impulse control is about to be cuffed and arrested then decides to essentially fight with the police.


The female officer gets scared I’m assuming…and this explanation may seem like a stretch to the uninitiated in the Law Enforcement reality but hear me out. This Female officer in Minnesota may have reacted in the frantic way she did because she’s in a suburban department where most police to civilian interactions are compliant, or due to some unconscious fear of young black men due to the memory of all the videos that are only privy to Law Enforcement.



Where after action reviews (AAR’s) are discussed surrounding the deaths of Police Officers at the hands of individuals. Many of whom are killed when subjects return to their vehicle to retrieve a gun then use that gun on the officer. These training discussions/musters/AAR’s are burned into our long-term memories. And if that scenario presents itself real world, and you get the adrenaline spike, and it’s chaotic, grabbing your weapon instead of a taser can and does happen.


So how do you fix it?


When I was in the military all I did for a six-year period was train, train, then train again. Whether it was, PT, Weapons proficiency, large scale training exercises or just going to FTX’s all we did on Active duty was train. And I wasn’t some high-speed Ninja seal. What I’ve always preached to fellow LEO’s is a constant state of mental repetitions and Physical Training especially in MMA. If you want to just do BJJ that’s great, but I’ve always been a proponent of MMA/ Full Spectrum Combat Sports for Police.



I carried a taser for many years, and except for dealing with someone specifically on PCP. I was always comfortable going hands on to effect an arrest. Not that I’m the ultimate bad ass (I’m not). I was just confident that I could control your standard issue human being that was being non-compliant at the time of an arrest. So I said all that to say, that we as a nation will continue to see these types of interactions…match meet gasoline one side you have some inner city emotionally Ruled, undisciplined, sadly criminally inclined black males, meets your A-Type, ex-military, H.S. Grad, Middle Class White male Police officer. IMHO if the Police do not step up their scenario-based training and make Physical training esp MMA style PT, and minimum weight, cardio, and strength physical standards mandatory as a condition of employment then escalating to what we call deadly force will continue at the rate we see today.


Now as far as the inner-city crime issue surrounding some young black males. Well…if Black men don’t start raising the children, they sire then these incidences with police will continue. A boy will ALWAYS find an older male to pattern his behavior after if the father is not present in the home. And if the child happens to be in a high crime area…well then the male behavior that he will see as natural I.E. pimping, drug dealing, gangs, graffiti, drug use, carjacking, armed robbery, stealing etc will be seen as normal. And the reaction that many people are having towards inner city black, and brown men who most of the time are NOT criminals is based on fear. Due to the amount of Black, and Brown faces shown on nightly news for committing crimes that elicit a fear response.


However…. some of this fear is justified in people based on crime statistics. Yes Bernie Madoff will have a far greater impact on people than some inner city youth that may rob you at the gas station. But which character do you think would evoke more fear in most people this guy...
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Or this guy?

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You see it’s not the Mafia hitman, or Yakuza, or 1% Hell’s Angel Outlaw Biker guy that’s out here carjacking, robbing, and doing home invasions… it’s your inner-city hood guy with ADHD (Aint no Daddy At Home Disorder).


So… How do you rebuild the inner city black family? Honestly I don’t know. How do you get inner city black men to stay with the kids they make and instruct them on self control and discipline? So without a real solid answer to that question the onus is on us LEO’s to train ourselves to be able to handle these chaotic situations better.


Thoughts?
 
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facts and statics are not on your side
 
JFC, man. You could say "Daunte Wright is to blame for his own death for resisting arrest" without invoking the racial trope about black men not having fathers and the lack of parenting initiative by the black community being the cause of their marginalization.

As far as how to "rebuild" the black nuclear family, or any nuclear family for that matter, the policies that are needed are pretty straight forward: education, contraception, and higher wages/basic living guarantees. The first two are pretty straight forward, but the third touches on what family value conservatives seem to miss: that marriage and cohabitation correlate positively with income. The lion's share of decline in marriage and traditional nuclear families has been in the working classes. Persons in the bottom third of income earners have seen marriage rates decline at twice the rate of those in the top third. If wage floors are raised back up to levels circa 1970, or if income supplements make it such that minimum wage jobs otherwise become sufficient to raise a family, you'll probably see some reversal of those trends.
 
JFC, man. You could say "Daunte Wright is to blame for his own death for resisting arrest" without invoking the racial trope about black men not having fathers and the lack of parenting initiative by the black community being the cause of their marginalization.

As far as how to "rebuild" the black nuclear family, or any nuclear family for that matter, the policies that are needed are pretty straight forward: education, contraception, and higher wages/basic living guarantees. The first two are pretty straight forward, but the third touches on what family value conservatives seem to miss: that marriage and cohabitation correlate positively with income. The lion's share of decline in marriage and traditional nuclear families has been in the working classes. Persons in the bottom third of income earners have seen marriage rates decline at twice the rate of those in the top third. If wage floors are raised back up to levels circa 1970, or if income supplements make it such that minimum wage jobs otherwise become sufficient to raise a family, you'll probably see some reversal of those trends.

solid take...I wasn't trying to throw shade at inner city blacks being fatherless. it's just what my experience is in working in Long Beach many years ago. most of the kids that were tagging, in Gangs. dealing and terrorizing the neighbor hood did not have fathers present in the home. Loving mothers yes.. but when that mom is working multiple jobs that young black, or brown boy is out running the streets...when that boy inevitably runs in to Law Enforcement alot of the times hat interaction will be negative.

and if you're a fan of contraceptives, or pro choice read about this lady and get back with me.
Margaret Sanger - Wikipedia

I don't think there needs yo be less black children, theses children just need a disciplinarian of a father in the home
 
facts and statics are not on your side
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blacks make up about 13% of the U.S. population but are responsible for 36% of violent crime, and 50% of the nations homicides. most of which are committed by inner city black males that are from what i'll assume are fatherless homes
 
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There are examples of where cops have fucked up but the vast majority of the time these shootings could have been avoided if the alleged offender would just comply and listen to orders. If the cops are wrong sue them after the fact and get paid, don't get shot and die so your leech family members and baby-mommas can get the bag on your behalf.
 
JFC, man. You could say "Daunte Wright is to blame for his own death for resisting arrest" without invoking the racial trope about black men not having fathers and the lack of parenting initiative by the black community being the cause of their marginalization.

As far as how to "rebuild" the black nuclear family, or any nuclear family for that matter, the policies that are needed are pretty straight forward: education, contraception, and higher wages/basic living guarantees. The first two are pretty straight forward, but the third touches on what family value conservatives seem to miss: that marriage and cohabitation correlate positively with income. The lion's share of decline in marriage and traditional nuclear families has been in the working classes. Persons in the bottom third of income earners have seen marriage rates decline at twice the rate of those in the top third. If wage floors are raised back up to levels circa 1970, or if income supplements make it such that minimum wage jobs otherwise become sufficient to raise a family, you'll probably see some reversal of those trends.

Those are good ideas Trotsky, but we already have those things. Public education is already provided to ALL children, contraception is given out for free and taught about in school, we already have higher wages (if you're working a job that pays less than $12/hour in 2021, what people do is they work that job for 6-12 months and then find another job or get some kind of promotion, and they keep doing that until they're at a wage they feel is good enough to support themselves and possibly gasp.... other people...), basic living guarantees, I'm not sure what those are, sounds intradesting.

maybe culturally songs like WAP shouldn't exist
 
There's a lot of evidence that violence goes up in unequal societies. This is because there's fierce competition for resources, and people at the bottom stand the most from violence. It's possible that in the US black males are violent and turn to drug trafficking because there are no ways to climb the socio-economic ladder legitimately. Even normal young people with decent upbringings struggle to accrue any kind of wealth now. I'm sure there are many factors, this is just one among many that people rarely bring up.

We see the same phenomenon with chimpanzees. Males at the bottom of their pack's hierarchy have low serotonin, and this low serotonin makes them more likely to engage in battle with other males, as an attempt to rise in the ranks. As a male wins battles, his serotonin goes up and males at the top have the highest levels.
 
There are examples of where cops have fucked up but the vast majority of the time these shootings could have been avoided if the alleged offender would just comply and listen to orders. If the cops are wrong sue them after the fact and get paid, don't get shot and die so your leech family members and baby-mommas can get the bag on your behalf.


i've told people time and again...don't run from the police, don't fight with the police, go to jail to get processed, bond out and go to court
 
Those are good ideas Trotsky, but we already have those things. Public education is already provided to ALL children, contraception is given out for free and taught about in school, we already have higher wages (if you're working a job that pays less than $12/hour in 2021, what people do is they work that job for 6-12 months and then find another job or get some kind of promotion, and they keep doing that until they're at a wage they feel is good enough to support themselves and possibly gasp.... other people...), basic living guarantees, I'm not sure what those are, sounds intradesting.

maybe culturally songs like WAP shouldn't exist

do you think WAP is a song you'd like your daughter rocking out to?
 
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blacks make up about 13% of the U.S. population but are responsible for 36% of violent crime, and 50% of the nations homicides. most of which are committed by inner city black males that are from i'll assume are from fatherless homes
I'm talking about blacks being killed by cops ...
 
What if the officer just wrote down his car info an pursued him later? He could have been charged with a felony for evading and the cop wouldn't have had to go all three stodges and murder some poor kid.
 
I’d be in favor of designating certain zones where police are not allowed to interact with young black males. Just designate a few police-free neighborhoods in each major city.
 
Those are good ideas Trotsky, but we already have those things.

No we don't.

Public education is already provided to ALL children

This is a dumb reply. The policy recommendation isn't to provide nominal public education guarantees: it's to shore up the quality of that education to decent international standards by funding it through federal means rather than through property taxes which exacerbate income inequality.

contraception is given out for free and taught about in school

No, it's not, particularly in Republican states where abstinence-only education is mandated.

we already have higher wages (if you're working a job that pays less than $12/hour in 2021, what people do is they work that job for 6-12 months and then find another job or get some kind of promotion, and they keep doing that until they're at a wage they feel is good enough to support themselves and possibly gasp.... other people...)

Even accounting for your "WAP" shout out later in the post, this is still the dumbest part of your post. Even if it were possible for everyone to quickly rise up from entry-level jobs and work up to $30,000/year, everyone actually attempting to do so would be wildly destructive to our national economy since we need people to do those jobs and our commerce would slow down drastically if that workforce was constantly in flux. Eighty percent of minimum wage workers are 25 and older. So knowing those jobs need to be done, knowing there aren't enough adolescent workers to fill the spots, and knowing they will be filled by working adults, your position is that those persons deserve to be poor and that you're fundamentally disinterested in improving society.
 
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