how many aggressive counter-strikers are there?

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Yes this is a question from a guy who grapples but hasn't struck in years, so I don't know the answer and lay off if there's one that is apparent.

Also, yes, this is a thread that is based on Sean Strickland. Him being an aggressive counter fighter seemed to me to be a bit of anomaly so I wanted to make this thread because I'm trying to see who else has that style.

I can think of plenty of counter strikers throughout MMA history... but NOT aggressive pressure guys that ALSO are counter guys. Are there more or is Sean's style that rare/strange?
 
Prime Conor was the quintessential example. He constantly pressed forward and forced people to fight at an uncomfortable distance (i.e., in the pocket or off their back foot). This generally led them to overextend on their shots, which Conor countered.

What I find particularly interesting is that Conor's attacks came almost exclusively from the left side (both punches and kicks). And when opponents circled to their left, away from Conor's power, he'd throw spanning back kicks (again with the left leg) to move them back to his power side.
 
Yes this is a question from a guy who grapples but hasn't struck in years, so I don't know the answer and lay off if there's one that is apparent.

Also, yes, this is a thread that is based on Sean Strickland. Him being an aggressive counter fighter seemed to me to be a bit of anomaly so I wanted to make this thread because I'm trying to see who else has that style.

I can think of plenty of counter strikers throughout MMA history... but NOT aggressive pressure guys that ALSO are counter guys. Are there more or is Sean's style that rare/strange?

Robbie was an aggressive striker that was good at counter striking.

Conor is a counter striker that pressed the action trying to create mistakes.
 
Does Crocop count ?
He is also a pressure fighter I would say. He takes the centre and stalks the prey down,but he doesnt throw as many strikes as a strickland/Diaz/ etc

Just throwing killing blows as soon as opening comes.
 
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Not exactly sure what your angle is here tbh.
The obvious criteria for a counter striker is that he preferably counters in exchanges vs initiating them.
The most obvious cases are the strikers that move backwards, trying to lure the opponents in. The O'Malley's and Adesanya's.
In second line, as you're suggesting, there are guys who manage to do it while applying forward pressure.
That is only really successful though, as long as those guys have a credible weapon in close range. Islam's TD threat for example, even Yan's TD threat, or the inside boxing of someone like Topuria.

Sean is a bit of an odd one out here, because he literally just tricks guys into avoiding the infight with him at all cost.
His demeanor appears like he wants to get into a dirty boxing match, but that's not where his success comes at all. His frame allows for efficient striking in the pocket, but besides the advantages that his style brings naturally to that, he's not all that good when met in the middle. He wants to catch guys moving away. Or exhaust them by forcing them to throw at an uncomfortable volume, while being able to avoid any significant damage.
It's pretty good to see in the Imavov fight, as well as in the Abus fight. If guys stay in his face, he looks very beatable. His reactions look worse and there are all of a sudden actual openings.
A lot of guys just decide to move backwards vs opponents that move forward, while there is not always a good reason to do so.

Just some thoughts, but to come back to your question, in general guys have to be at least decent strikers overall while bringing to the table either very dangerous boxing in the pocket or a dangerous clinch or takedown threat. There aren't a whole lot of guys who are great strikers and great grapplers and there aren't a lot of guys who have the composure to close the distance without striking first either.
So naturally not a whole lot of fighters will qualify for that list. A lot of names have already been mentioned.
Guys like Ankalaev, Makhachev and Yan. The later Jon Jones kind of.
Guys like Oezdemir and Shavkat I suppose. They look less clinical, but they don't throw a whole lot first either.
On the cleaner striking side you have guys like Topuria, arguably Fiziev although he doesn't really put too much pressure forward and I would say Della Maddalena.
A lot of those guys are kind of in betweeners, where you'd be in safer waters just calling them pressure fighters.
 
He is also a pressure fighter I would say. He takes the centre and stalks the prey down,but he doesnt throw as many strikes as a strickland/Diaz/ etc

Just throwing killing blows as soon as opening comes.


A sniper as opposed to volume striker.
 
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O'Malley is one of the best. His counters end fights. Especially considering he's fighting at BW.

He's more of a classic counter striker. Not a pressure counter striker.

Garbrandt chose to do it at times in his earlier days.
 
Yes this is a question from a guy who grapples but hasn't struck in years, so I don't know the answer and lay off if there's one that is apparent.

Also, yes, this is a thread that is based on Sean Strickland. Him being an aggressive counter fighter seemed to me to be a bit of anomaly so I wanted to make this thread because I'm trying to see who else has that style.

I can think of plenty of counter strikers throughout MMA history... but NOT aggressive pressure guys that ALSO are counter guys. Are there more or is Sean's style that rare/strange?

I'm not sure if Strickland even qualifies here, and I can't think of a true pressure counter striker off the top of my head. It's a much more difficult style to pull off in MMA as opposed to boxing, with the clinch and wrestling/grappling involved. It's a good question though, I'm sure someone is bound to have a couple examples.
 
Wouldn't call strickland a counter striker. He's a pressure fighter.

Conor and Vitor is the best example of what you're looking for, then guys like Gane, Yan, possibly Islam
He's a pressure fighter but who relies on counters (as evidenced by Eugene/Izzy comments) so yeah I found that weird
Not exactly sure what your angle is here tbh.
The obvious criteria for a counter striker is that he preferably counters in exchanges vs initiating them.
The most obvious cases are the strikers that move backwards, trying to lure the opponents in. The O'Malley's and Adesanya's.
In second line, as you're suggesting, there are guys who manage to do it while applying forward pressure.
That is only really successful though, as long as those guys have a credible weapon in close range. Islam's TD threat for example, even Yan's TD threat, or the inside boxing of someone like Topuria.

Sean is a bit of an odd one out here, because he literally just tricks guys into avoiding the infight with him at all cost.
His demeanor appears like he wants to get into a dirty boxing match, but that's not where his success comes at all. His frame allows for efficient striking in the pocket, but besides the advantages that his style brings naturally to that, he's not all that good when met in the middle. He wants to catch guys moving away. Or exhaust them by forcing them to throw at an uncomfortable volume, while being able to avoid any significant damage.
It's pretty good to see in the Imavov fight, as well as in the Abus fight. If guys stay in his face, he looks very beatable. His reactions look worse and there are all of a sudden actual openings.
A lot of guys just decide to move backwards vs opponents that move forward, while there is not always a good reason to do so.

Just some thoughts, but to come back to your question, in general guys have to be at least decent strikers overall while bringing to the table either very dangerous boxing in the pocket or a dangerous clinch or takedown threat. There aren't a whole lot of guys who are great strikers and great grapplers and there aren't a lot of guys who have the composure to close the distance without striking first either.
So naturally not a whole lot of fighters will qualify for that list. A lot of names have already been mentioned.
Guys like Ankalaev, Makhachev and Yan. The later Jon Jones kind of.
Guys like Oezdemir and Shavkat I suppose. They look less clinical, but they don't throw a whole lot first either.
On the cleaner striking side you have guys like Topuria, arguably Fiziev although he doesn't really put too much pressure forward and I would say Della Maddalena.
A lot of those guys are kind of in betweeners, where you'd be in safer waters just calling them pressure fighters.
I have no angle man, I'm just asking because I don't know much about striking and I found the combo (constantly going forward and pressuring but not attacking) odd.

I singled out Sean, because like you said, his style appears to be a weird combination. Thanks for the long reply reinforcing some of the same names others have mentioned though.
He's more of a classic counter striker. Not a pressure counter striker.
My thoughts as well on O'Malley. I probably should have made the thread title "pressure counter-strikers" instead of "aggressive" because that word carries less meaning tactically I suppose.
I'm not sure if Strickland even qualifies here, and I can't think of a true pressure counter striker off the top of my head. It's a much more difficult style to pull off in MMA as opposed to boxing, with the clinch and wrestling/grappling involved. It's a good question though, I'm sure someone is bound to have a couple examples.
Good point on the grappling dimension making it harder to work in MMA. Out of curiosity, why don't you think Strickland qualifies? He's the best I could come up with, but granted it was based on the Izzy fight where it was basically a K1 match.
 
He's a pressure fighter but who relies on counters (as evidenced by Eugene/Izzy comments) so yeah I found that weird

I have no angle man, I'm just asking because I don't know much about striking and I found the combo (constantly going forward and pressuring but not attacking) odd.

I singled out Sean, because like you said, his style appears to be a weird combination. Thanks for the long reply reinforcing some of the same names others have mentioned though.

My thoughts as well on O'Malley. I probably should have made the thread title "pressure counter-strikers" instead of "aggressive" because that word carries less meaning tactically I suppose.

Good point on the grappling dimension making it harder to work in MMA. Out of curiosity, why don't you think Strickland qualifies? He's the best I could come up with, but granted it was based on the Izzy fight where it was basically a K1 match.

Actually, the Izzy fight is a good example specifically. People talk more about his pressure and defense than the offense he was landing, which really shows how effective he was with it. Strickland is usually leading the dance though, using his jab and maintaining at least a certain range from his opponents. I guess I was thinking more about his general body of work.
 
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