What would it take for you to rise up against your government in open rebellion?

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Just curious.

I guess in countries where you're not allowed to own guns the point is moot because you're fucked.

But in free countries, the question stands: What would it take?

There have been moments here in the US where I'm thinking "Is this not an unforgivable assault upon our rights?" but the average person is too wrapped up in their own shit to pay attention.

Snowden is a prophet.
 
Same as the French Revolution...no butter for my bread.
(Lack of food or water is the only thing that will move the needle even a smidge)
 
Same as the French Revolution...no butter for my bread.
(Lack of food or water is the only thing that will move the needle even a smidge)

An interesting perspective.

So rights beyond food and water are sacrifices you are willing to make.
 
An interesting perspective.

So rights beyond food and water are sacrifices you are willing to make.
This is true of all humans, luxuries and conveniences are just a blip on the radar when it comes down to it. Even most of things we have that's considered luxuries are just things that help us receive our base needs quicker and more effectively.
 
this thread is bound to be a spx classic
 
This is true of all humans, luxuries and conveniences are just a blip on the radar when it comes down to it. Even most of things we have that's considered luxuries are just things that help us receive our base needs quicker and more effectively.

I would not say it's true of all humans.

Some humans are willing to legitimately fight for rights that are not simply food and water.

Animals fight for food and water. Human beings, I hope, are willing to stand up for higher ideals.
 
Systematic round up of a race/religion....etc.
 
I would not say it's true of all humans.

Some humans are willing to legitimately fight for rights that are not simply food and water.

Animals fight for food and water. Human beings, I hope, are willing to stand up for higher ideals.
Meh, the only reason we fight for those ideals in the first place is because our base needs are so easily met and acquired. You take that away and you'll have literally no one fighting for anything other than to survive.
 
Meh, the only reason we fight for those ideals in the first place is because our base needs are so easily met and acquired. You take that away and you'll have literally no one fighting for anything other than to survive.

Well I think that people work from the ground up.

Obviously if you're about to die of thirst you won't be worried in the moment about the right to vote. But that doesn't mean the right to vote isn't worth fighting for or that people won't fight for it.
 
Just curious.

I guess in countries where you're not allowed to own guns the point is moot because you're fucked.

I proffer the Irish war of independence 1916. They raided a police station for their guns and went from there. You practice guerilla tactics and translate your surprise advantage into amassing weapons from the state. Being able to hide amongst the population is key. My great uncle was an officer, died in the Cork scuffle.

I would require the death/imprisonment of family and wider oppression for me to be guaranteed invested.
 
Well I think that people work from the ground up.

Obviously if you're about to die of thirst you won't be worried in the moment about the right to vote. But that doesn't mean the right to vote isn't worth fighting for or that people won't fight for it.
The will of the people vs the governments order is a fine line. Who's to say anyone would have actually fought a battle for women or anyone else to vote if our President had just said, "Nah."

Idk, I just believe what most sane people will actually risk their life over doesn't go much farther than just surviving.
 
I proffer the Irish war of independence 1916. They raided a police station for their guns and went from there. You practice guerilla tactics and translate your surprise advantage into amassing weapons from the state. Being able to hide amongst the population is key. My great uncle was an officer, died in the Cork scuffle.

That's interesting. Is your contention then that in times of duress people still steal weapons from those who have them?

I would require the death/imprisonment of family and wider oppression for me to be guaranteed invested.

Without the death/imprisonment of family, is wider oppression not enough?
 
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The will of the people vs the governments order is a fine line. Who's to say anyone would have actually fought a battle for women or anyone else to vote if our President had just said, "Nah."

Idk, I just believe what most sane people will actually risk their life over doesn't go much farther than just surviving.

The interesting thing about the American Revolution is that it was mostly fought over what colonists believed to be unfair taxes. Who today has the balls to fight over that?
 
That's interesting. Is your contention then that in times of duress people still steal weapons from those who have them?



Without the death/imprisonment of family, is wider oppression is not enough?

My contention is that historically, that is exactly what happens. The state is also made up of people from the population, some of them are sympathetic to the cause and provide aid, access etc.

Wider oppression would have me motivated to protest and take political action. First and foremost though my family are my concern. If remaining impartial is the best thing for their survival that's what I'll do. If they are harmed irrevocably I would have no choice, that would have been made for me and I would gladly, without conscience 'resist' such a system.
 
The interesting thing about the American Revolution is that it was mostly fought over what colonists believed to be unfair taxes. Who today has the balls to fight over that?

You have a lot of soldiers who are fighting for equally modest motivations today. Many do for entertainment reasons, ie rather than have a boring job.
 
My contention is that historically, that is exactly what happens. The state is also made up of people from the population, some of them are sympathetic to the cause and provide aid, access etc.

Wider oppression would have me motivated to protest and take political action. First and foremost though my family are my concern. If remaining impartial is the best thing for their survival that's what I'll do. If they are harmed irrevocably I would have no choice, that would have been made for me and I would gladly, without conscience 'resist' such a system.

Well as I just mentioned, the American Revolution was fought, essentially, over a disagreement regarding taxes.

How do you feel about that?
 
You have a lot of soldiers who are fighting for equally modest motivations today. Many do for entertainment reasons, ie rather than have a boring job.

Is it your contention then it was just a bunch of people who were bored that established America as a nation? Not people who were ideologically motivated?
 
Well as I just mentioned, the American Revolution was fought, essentially, over a disagreement regarding taxes.

How do you feel about that?

Were leading luminaries of my society to mobilise the population for independence, with friends taking part, I might join their cause if I saw it as just and likely to succeed.
 
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