illegal immigration and the US workforce

IGIT

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hello everyone,

i was following the election in France, whilst also thinking about the immigration/H1B/H2B situation here in the states, and i had a question;

if the Trump administration were to completely staunch the flow of illegals to this nation, continue its unleashing of ICE officials from sea to shining sea, while also restricting H1B/H2B visas, would the result be more employed Americans along with higher wages across the board for everyone in those respective fields?

and, if the answer is "yes" to the above, wouldn't that be a wonderful boon to the United States?

my second question would be this;

i figure there would be a cost offset for everything too, as American ITs filled those jobs in the tech industry and earned more....and as Americans replaced Mexican and Central American labor in the kitchens of various restaurants and earned more....and this trend would continue in the construction and hospitality industry, along with the agribusiness.

meaning, either there would be less profits for ownership or the cost for everything would rise for the general public.

so would the end result be a net positive for things like GDP and government spending (since presumably there would be less public assistance as wages went up) or would it be a net negative?

- IGIT
 
What about another category: Those that arrived with visas, but have overstayed? (i.e. came on a tourist visa/ student visa and stayed)
 
What about another category: Those that arrived with visas, but have overstayed? (i.e. came on a tourist visa/ student visa and stayed)

heya Fluffemutter,

like i said in the OP, in my hypothetical the U.S. Department of Homeland Security Immigration and Customs Enforcement would have a green light.

illegal immigrants would be sent packing.

would the end result be a net negative or positive for the US economy?

i assume that low wage works across many industries would be paid more, since many are jobs that "Americans don't want" at existing wages....and with no one else to do them, employers would just have to pay more.

then again, i figure costs for the buyers would also rise across the board.

- IGIT
 
>leftists say they want higher wages for the working class
>want to flood the market with cheap labor

>leftists say they want to let in mexicans out of kindness
>aware that these people are paid slave wages for terrible work
>use their sub-minimum wage as an argument on why its good for them to be here

ayyy lmao
 
hello everyone,

i was following the election in France, whilst also thinking about the immigration/H1B/H2B situation here in the states, and i had a question;

if the Trump administration were to completely staunch the flow of illegals to this nation, continue its unleashing of ICE officials from sea to shining sea, while also restricting H1B/H2B visas, would the result be more employed Americans along with higher wages across the board for everyone in those respective fields?

and, if the answer is "yes" to the above, wouldn't that be a wonderful boon to the United States?

my second question would be this;

i figure there would be a cost offset for everything too, as American ITs filled those jobs in the tech industry and earned more....and as Americans replaced Mexican and Central American labor in the kitchens of various restaurants and earned more....and this trend would continue in the construction and hospitality industry, along with the agribusiness.

meaning, either there would be less profits for ownership or the cost for everything would rise for the general public.

so would the end result be a net positive for things like GDP and government spending (since presumably there would be less public assistance as wages went up) or would it be a net negative?

- IGIT
It would only be a benefit if we brought unions back, or if there was a serious worker's party in this country. Otherwise, costs for goods would go up or there would be more tax breaks for corporations. 'Merica.
 
>leftists say they want higher wages for the working class
>want to flood the market with cheap labor

>leftists say they want to let in mexicans out of kindness
>aware that these people are paid slave wages for terrible work
>use their sub-minimum wage as an argument on why its good for them to be here

ayyy lmao
Reading the OP.

Ayyy, lmao.
 
but to answer more directly, i believe it will improve GDP because a lot of the money being paid to illegal workers is sent back in remittances to their home country and spent there. money paid to domestic workers is far more likely to be spent locally and go back to the businesses who hire and pay those workers. it also gives workers more money to invest in or create local business
 
Yes to the first part. When low wage labor is harder to find, thereby harder to replace, it becomes more valuable and the wages and treatment are forced to improve. To the 2nd, costs can only rise to the extent that people are able to pay for the goods or services. If they rise too much and become unaffordable, they go out of business.

In the future, when automated jobs become more common, it will really matter a lot when we've flooded the place with unskilled, low wage labor and they're all unemployed collecting social benefits.
 
When I used to work for a painting contractor he often times let a high skilled/high pay worker go and replaced him with 2 or 3 illegals for the same price since he didn't have to pay them even minimum wage.
 
>leftists say they want higher wages for the working class
>want to flood the market with cheap labor

>leftists say they want to let in mexicans out of kindness
>aware that these people are paid slave wages for terrible work
>use their sub-minimum wage as an argument on why its good for them to be here

ayyy lmao
Gotta agree with that one
 
Can't see too many young entitled millennials( like the types from the Berkeley marches) rushing to take those fruit picking and dish washing jobs.
 
but to answer more directly, i believe it will improve GDP because a lot of the money being paid to illegal workers is sent back in remittances to their home country and spent there. money paid to domestic workers is far more likely to be spent locally and go back to the businesses who hire and pay those workers. it also gives workers more money to invest in or create local business

The thing is that the US economy is already near max capacity, so if it was to happen, then the Fed would need to increase the interest rate by quite a big margin in order to slow down the economy to accomodate for the shortage of labor.

So GDP would certainly shrink a bit since there would be less people working, as to wages increasing that would probably happen in a few sectors, but that would simply mean that a lot of business will go under as opposed to simply paying higher wages.

As to remittances, you may have a point when it comes to local economy, but at a national level its irrelevant.

You are right to the false dichotomy when it comes to liberalism and flooding the labor markets with cheap labor, thats why until recently Democrats were the anti-immigration party and Republicans were the pro-immigration one.
 
Yes to the first part. When low wage labor is harder to find, thereby harder to replace, it becomes more valuable and the wages and treatment are forced to improve. To the 2nd, costs can only rise to the extent that people are able to pay for the goods or services. If they rise too much and become unaffordable, they go out of business.

In the future, when automated jobs become more common, it will really matter a lot when we've flooded the place with unskilled, low wage labor and they're all unemployed collecting social benefits.

This.

Therefore its in the best interests to keep illegal labor as illegal and nothing gets done ever.
 
hello and good evening Pwent,

>leftists say they want higher wages for the working class

>want to flood the market with cheap labor
>leftists say they want to let in mexicans out of kindness
>aware that these people are paid slave wages for terrible work
>use their sub-minimum wage as an argument on why its good for them to be here

ayyy lmao

you know, its interesting...nothing you just wrote has anything to do with the questions posed in the OP.

perhaps then, its ham you'd like to discuss?

i'm happy to oblige!

parma-ham-italy-figs2.jpg

In a way, our delicacy for the day is something like that of a side dish. Yes, although the Italian Parma Ham could be served alone – its thin slices make it ideal to add more spike to other dishes, like pizzas and salads.

*cheers*

- IGIT
 
but to answer more directly, i believe it will improve GDP because a lot of the money being paid to illegal workers is sent back in remittances to their home country and spent there. money paid to domestic workers is far more likely to be spent locally and go back to the businesses who hire and pay those workers. it also gives workers more money to invest in or create local business

heya Pwent,

there we go, that is what i was looking for.

thanks!

- IGIT
 
It would only be a benefit if we brought unions back, or if there was a serious worker's party in this country. Otherwise, costs for goods would go up or there would be more tax breaks for corporations. 'Merica.

hi HomerThompson my friend!

why must there be a union for the workers to benefit?

wouldn't wages just automatically go up for many of these jobs? as we've heard over and over again through the years, "Americans won't do this kind of work".

but they would at the right price...and employers would have to meet that price threshold if there we no longer any options, no?

- IGIT
 
hi HomerThompson my friend!

why must there be a union for the workers to benefit?

wouldn't wages just automatically go up for many of these jobs? as we've heard over and over again through the years, "Americans won't do this kind of work".

but they would at the right price...and employers would have to meet that price threshold if there we no longer any options, no?

- IGIT
Sure, but I can guarantee that prices would go up, or tax cuts would occur, or even in this radical scenario where all immigrants virtually disappear, that MW laws would be removed.
 
'evening nortradumbass,

Yes to the first part. When low wage labor is harder to find, thereby harder to replace, it becomes more valuable and the wages and treatment are forced to improve. To the 2nd, costs can only rise to the extent that people are able to pay for the goods or services. If they rise too much and become unaffordable, they go out of business.

yes.

so then, first of all the lower wage US workers would see a boon in their fortunes.

secondly, prices would rise (but not without end, they'd just go up). a negative for the consumer and, i figure, for our export market.

In the future, when automated jobs become more common, it will really matter a lot when we've flooded the place with unskilled, low wage labor and they're all unemployed collecting social benefits.

i read an article while musing about my OP that stated that if US employers are actually forced to hire US workers, it'll only speed the progression towards automation.

so in the end, what do you think?

a net gain or a net loss overall?

- IGIT
 
Sure, but I can guarantee that prices would go up, or tax cuts would occur, or even in this radical scenario where all immigrants virtually disappear, that MW laws would be removed.

hello Mr. Thompson,

so, a wash in the end? like, no change for better or for worse?

i'm just curious what you think. i haven't really formed an opinion on the matter.

- IGIT
 
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