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2017-01-21 12:45:51 PM  
The 50% of people who didn't vote effectively agreed with everything Trump wanted to do.

/it'll suck for the people who need the ACA though
//maybe some of those 50% will vote next time.
 
2017-01-21 1:56:07 PM  
"Replacement"? What "replacement"?

/"Die quickly" is more of a solution than a replacement
 
I_C_Weener [TotalFark]  
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2017-01-21 1:59:16 PM  
That's a quality headline.  Too good for the weekend crowd.
 
2017-01-21 3:05:20 PM  
GOP Strategy: Kick out pillars of the ACA until it collapses.  Same thing they want to do with the rest of America.
 
OdradekRex [TotalFark] [OhFark]  
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2017-01-21 3:07:02 PM  
I'm sorry, but President Trump has promised full coverage for every one, with better insurance at a lower cost. I can't imagine he'd fail to keep his promise.
 
cchris_39  
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2017-01-21 3:07:18 PM  
Trump is well aware that his own party would love to torpedo him with a repeal without replacement strategy.  You don't have to understand 4D chess to know that.

Trump is not about to fall for that trick.
 
2017-01-21 3:07:45 PM  
Die.
 
2017-01-21 3:08:34 PM  

themindiswatching: The 50% of people who didn't vote effectively agreed with everything Trump wanted to do.

/it'll suck for the people who need the ACA though
//maybe some of those 50% will vote next time.


that's bullshiat. They wanted Trump to repeal Obamacare and keep his filthy government hands off of there ACA. They are simple folks...
 
2017-01-21 3:08:41 PM  
The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.
 
2017-01-21 3:09:27 PM  
And for his next trick. "deportation forces" and death camps for minorities.
 
2017-01-21 3:09:42 PM  
Old GOP: Busting up organized labor.
New GOP: Busting up Health Insurance.
 
2017-01-21 3:10:39 PM  

Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.


thats also why they got rid of tax help for first time home buyers.
Isn't it weird that a man who made his money off of foreclosing on mortgages is enacting policies to cause more foreclosures?
 
2017-01-21 3:13:32 PM  

Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.


And it will be generations before we can even attempt to reform healthcare again because "Obama proved socialized medicine doesn't work".

THIS is why we should have been pushing for single payer from day one.
 
2017-01-21 3:13:56 PM  

Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.


And, meanwhile, the rest of us with non-government-subsidized health insurance have watched out plans triple in cost, deductibles inflate by that much or more, and the restrictions on seeking the affordable care of our choice become onerous.

The only groups who benefitted from ACA were the insurance companies.  They're the ones that need to collapse.
 
HAMMERTOE  
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2017-01-21 3:15:04 PM  

Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.


Wrong. It was paid for by drastically increasing the rates, co-pays, and deductibles of the middle class.
 
2017-01-21 3:15:35 PM  
Richard and Linda Thompson - Withered and Died
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2017-01-21 3:15:42 PM  

themindiswatching: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And it will be generations before we can even attempt to reform healthcare again because "Obama proved socialized medicine doesn't work".

THIS is why we should have been pushing for single payer from day one.


And that's exactly why most of the details of ACA were hidden from view until it was signed into law -- so those pesky little details would remain hidden as long as possible.
 
Catlenfell  
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2017-01-21 3:16:22 PM  
Let's just make getting sick illegal.
Then, no one will get sick and burden the rest of us.
Also, tax breaks for everyone.
 
2017-01-21 3:18:28 PM  

Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.


But if it's that simple... why haven't they announced that yet?
 
wax_on [BareFark]  
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2017-01-21 3:20:23 PM  
It's my hope that one good thing that will come from Drumpf is single payer health care in a handful of states that have enough of a liberal majority to pass it. My state, California for one.
 
2017-01-21 3:20:39 PM  
Remember, they have to make things worse so that later they can make America great again
 
qorkfiend  
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2017-01-21 3:21:33 PM  

themindiswatching: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And it will be generations before we can even attempt to reform healthcare again because "Obama proved socialized medicine doesn't work".

THIS is why we should have been pushing for single payer from day one.


It was on the table. It didn't get enough votes.

Don't pretend the options were the ACA or something better.
 
Begoggle  
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2017-01-21 3:22:38 PM  
Both sides are bad though, so I'm gonna keep voting Republican.
 
2017-01-21 3:23:19 PM  

qorkfiend: themindiswatching: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And it will be generations before we can even attempt to reform healthcare again because "Obama proved socialized medicine doesn't work".

THIS is why we should have been pushing for single payer from day one.

It was on the table. It didn't get enough votes.

Don't pretend the options were the ACA or something better.


I think we can all agree that what is important is that the poor die and/or become homeless.
Once there is a permanent underclass of transients we can start executing them for vagrancy.
 
Cheron  
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2017-01-21 3:23:27 PM  

OdradekRex: I'm sorry, but President Trump has promised full coverage  access for every one, with better insurance at a lower cost. I can't imagine he'd fail to keep his promise.


As some one pointed out the other day everyone has access to a Porsche or BMW, doesn't mean they can afford it. Watch how the tweek the langue and move the goal post.
 
Begoggle  
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2017-01-21 3:24:12 PM  

Catlenfell: Let's just make getting sick illegal.
Then, no one will get sick and burden the rest of us.
Also, tax breaks for everyone The rich, corporations, and farmers.


FTFY
 
2017-01-21 3:27:02 PM  
i've been curious to see how the R's would blame the D's once they controlled everything. early reports seem to lean towards "it's not our fault, you didn't vote enough."
 
2017-01-21 3:27:52 PM  

Cheron: OdradekRex: I'm sorry, but President Trump has promised full coverage  access for every one, with better insurance at a lower cost. I can't imagine he'd fail to keep his promise.

As some one pointed out the other day everyone has access to a Porsche or BMW, doesn't mean they can afford it. Watch how the tweek the langue and move the goal post.


Nope, you're thinking of the GOP plan.

Trump said he has his own plan and that EVERYONE will have insurance.
 
Heraclitus  
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2017-01-21 3:28:48 PM  

backhand.slap.of.reason: GOP Strategy: Kick out pillars of the ACA until it collapses.  Same thing they want to do with the rest of America.


That and "Tax Cuts" is pretty much all they've got.
 
2017-01-21 3:30:30 PM  

just_intonation: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And, meanwhile, the rest of us with non-government-subsidized health insurance have watched out plans triple in cost, deductibles inflate by that much or more, and the restrictions on seeking the affordable care of our choice become onerous.

The only groups who benefitted from ACA were the insurance companies.  They're the ones that need to collapse.


And I'm confident that letting them sell ineffective "break in case of emergency" plans across State borders is a first step in penalizing them right?

The cost of employer provided plans will continue to increase because that is the expected outcome of for profit healthcare.
 
Poopspasm  
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2017-01-21 3:30:53 PM  

cchris_39: Trump is well aware that his own party would love to torpedo him with a repeal without replacement strategy.  You don't have to understand 4D chess to know that.

Trump is not about to fall for that trick.


Oh yeah. Trump is definitely a deep thinker, not an obnoxious loudmouth appealing to the lowest common denominator.
 
EmmaLou  
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2017-01-21 3:31:40 PM  
I think it was Pence who clarified Trump's position and said everyone would have access to health insurance.
 
2017-01-21 3:32:15 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

Wrong. It was paid for by drastically increasing the rates, co-pays, and deductibles of the middle class.


In certain states. Many states prepared for and accepted the free money from the Feds. Other states decided to play Stigginit and screwed their own citizens over politics.

I am on Covered California, pay full price for a platinum plan from Anthem with no deductible, $15 co-pay, and $25 prescription costs. My premium is $600. I can even deduct the premium from my taxes. I am middle class and am grateful that I had the freedom to pick my plan and not be tied to an employer because I needed health care. In fact, I was able to quit my job that I hated so that I could start a business with some partners. Without the ACA, I would have had to pay $1000 bucks a month for COBRA with Aetna (the worst healthcare insurance company in the world). ACA is freedom for me. What a shame that the government will take that away from me.

The ACA works in California because the state wanted it to work. I can't say the same for many other states. So stop blaming the wrong people. Get rid of your repressive state governments who play ideological and political games to increase their power. Get people in there who actual look out for their citizens.
 
Delay  
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2017-01-21 3:34:04 PM  
The problem with Obamacare was that Democrats expected their voters would be too stupid and not sign up. The Obamacare folks made it insanely difficult through their web site.

What happened next was a variety of entrepreneurs created their own web sites to help stupid folks to sign up. The typical applicant was morbidly obese or diabetic and needed hip replacements, which made the medical care folks wealthy. Yay.
 
2017-01-21 3:34:08 PM  

themindiswatching: The 50% of people who didn't vote effectively agreed with everything Trump wanted to do.


I have always been a believer in "If you were eligible and didn't vote, you don't get to complain about the election results", but I like the cut of your jib.

From now on it's, "If you were eligible and didn't vote, you are responsible for whoever won, only you don't have the right to take credit or complain about the results".

It's a little awkwardly phrased perhaps, but I think it's a better way to represent the power of the vote and the responsibility to wield it and wield it wisely.
 
2017-01-21 3:34:19 PM  
When you're tearing down the medical infrastructure by killing a stable market for hospitals and doctors, medical support and research, why not just shutter the hospitals and medical school as an act of faith? Certainly letting them deteriorate to become useless and obsolescent would be cruel.

Of course, rich oligarchs would probably go to Dubai, London, or Switzerland for treatment.  They'll need to stay in a hotel, so there's a need to be addressed.

Blame Jesus if medical care is three times care in the first world countries.
 
2017-01-21 3:35:59 PM  

NathanAllen: just_intonation: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And, meanwhile, the rest of us with non-government-subsidized health insurance have watched out plans triple in cost, deductibles inflate by that much or more, and the restrictions on seeking the affordable care of our choice become onerous.

The only groups who benefitted from ACA were the insurance companies.  They're the ones that need to collapse.

And I'm confident that letting them sell ineffective "break in case of emergency" plans across State borders is a first step in penalizing them right?

The cost of employer provided plans will continue to increase because that is the expected outcome of for profit healthcare.


True. And all the ACA did was to guarantee greater profit for the insurers. That will be its true legacy.
 
wood0366  
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2017-01-21 3:36:19 PM  
The great silver lining I'm seeing is that if the Trump administration does core out all these regulations, agencies, and committees, it'll be a clean slate for the next administration to put in sane replacements without the cruft of 200+ years.

A thin solace, but y'know, grab what you can.
 
Russ1642  
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2017-01-21 3:36:35 PM  
Everybody's ok with the ACA. It's Obamacare that needs to be repealed.
 
LadySusan [TotalFark]  
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2017-01-21 3:37:51 PM  
Hmmmm. Would love to see the Ordering, Referring, and Prescribing mandate removed. Removing Minimum Essential Coverage is not so good. It's nice to have a level playing field and know what you're getting in the plan. Not sure what onerous rules the insurance companies are opposing but no doubt there are some.
 
wood0366  
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2017-01-21 3:37:58 PM  

Delay: The problem with Obamacare was that Democrats expected their voters would be too stupid and not sign up. The Obamacare folks made it insanely difficult through their web site.

What happened next was a variety of entrepreneurs created their own web sites to help stupid folks to sign up. The typical applicant was morbidly obese or diabetic and needed hip replacements, which made the medical care folks wealthy. Yay.


You're going to have to unpack that first one and explain why the second is bad when it's the Free Hand of the Market finding a niche and filling it.
 
2017-01-21 3:38:04 PM  

EmmaLou: I think it was Pence who clarified Trump's position and said everyone would have access to health insurance.


Like Bernie said a few days ago, "I can have access to purchase a 10 million dollar home, it doesn't mean I have the money".
 
2017-01-21 3:38:29 PM  

johnny queso: i've been curious to see how the R's would blame the D's once they controlled everything. early reports seem to lean towards "it's not our fault, you didn't vote enough."


I'm hardly a Republican but apparently everything Trump said during the campaign wasn't objectionable enough to at least vote third party for a large number of the public. Kinda late to start b*tching now but I guess it's a start.

Uchiha_Cycliste: I think we can all agree that what is important is that the poor die and/or become homeless.
Once there is a permanent underclass of transients we can start executing them for vagrancy.


Nah, we make them join the military here.

/just in time to join the ground war over in Syria too.
 
Vtimlin  
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2017-01-21 3:40:25 PM  
Obama drove costs through the roof and no matter what is done im sure the prices will go the same way with trump.  He means well, so did Obama. Scrap medicaid, medicare, aca, and start over.
 
ElwoodCuse  
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2017-01-21 3:42:07 PM  

Unsung_Hero: themindiswatching: The 50% of people who didn't vote effectively agreed with everything Trump wanted to do.

I have always been a believer in "If you were eligible and didn't vote, you don't get to complain about the election results", but I like the cut of your jib.

From now on it's, "If you were eligible and didn't vote, you are responsible for whoever won, only you don't have the right to take credit or complain about the results".

It's a little awkwardly phrased perhaps, but I think it's a better way to represent the power of the vote and the responsibility to wield it and wield it wisely.


No one is owed your vote. If you keep voting for people who promise you nothing, you'll always end up with nothing.
 
2017-01-21 3:42:44 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "Replacement"? What "replacement"?

/"Die quickly" is more of a solution than a replacement


sounds like a solution with a kind of finality to it...  a ... final solution if you will.
 
2017-01-21 3:43:23 PM  

Vtimlin: Obama drove costs through the roof and no matter what is done im sure the prices will go the same way with trump.  He means well, so did Obama. Scrap medicaid, medicare, aca, and start over.


Obama actually slowed down the increases and in tern many people were covered that were not covered before.  The biggest issue was when Republican States refused to join in, which was the only thing that would have made ACA more successful.

We should not tear anything down until we have a replacement in order. Otherwise, you will end up with huge costs.
 
qorkfiend  
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2017-01-21 3:43:38 PM  

just_intonation: NathanAllen: just_intonation: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And, meanwhile, the rest of us with non-government-subsidized health insurance have watched out plans triple in cost, deductibles inflate by that much or more, and the restrictions on seeking the affordable care of our choice become onerous.

The only groups who benefitted from ACA were the insurance companies.  They're the ones that need to collapse.

And I'm confident that letting them sell ineffective "break in case of emergency" plans across State borders is a first step in penalizing them right?

The cost of employer provided plans will continue to increase because that is the expected outcome of for profit healthcare.

True. And all the ACA did was to guarantee greater profit for the insurers. That will be its true legacy.


It guaranteed a lot more than that, but you keep on with your bad self.
 
2017-01-21 3:45:35 PM  

themindiswatching: Private_Citizen: The ACA was paid for with a tax on the rich. When that goes away, the system will collapse for lack of funds, and the GOP will be able to say "See? It was so expensive it collapsed" - all the while they and their rich friends get a healthy tax break.

And it will be generations before we can even attempt to reform healthcare again because "Obama proved socialized medicine doesn't work".

THIS is why we should have been pushing for single payer from day one.


Thank  Joe Lieberman.
 
2017-01-21 3:45:37 PM  
Well, maybe they can save some F-35 money for healthcare. I just read that McCain and the head of the Air Force are suggesting the US buy 300 Textron Scorpion light attack aircraft to do close air support in low hostility environments. Places like hospitals, orphanages, and probably Planned Parenthood locations.
 
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